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by dns_snek 89 days ago
And how is this comment relevant here? The abstract lists the digestible model names, and you can find the details in the supplementary text:

> To evaluate user-facing production LLMs, we studied four proprietary models: OpenAI’s GPT-5 and GPT- 4o (80), Google’s Gemini-1.5-Flash (81) and Anthropic’s Claude Sonnet 3.7 (82); and seven open-weight models: Meta’s Llama-3-8B-Instruct, Llama-4-Scout-17B-16E, and Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct-Turbo (83, 84); Mistral AI’s Mistral-7B-Instruct-v0.3 (85) and Mistral-Small-24B-Instruct-2501 (86); DeepSeek-V3 (87); and Qwen2.5-7B-Instruct-Turbo (88).

edit: It looks like OP attached the wrong link to the paper!

The article is about this Stanford study: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aec8352

But the link in OP's post points to (what seems to be) a completely unrelated study.

2 comments

"OpenAI’s GPT-5" is ambiguous. Does that mean GPT-5, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, or 5.4? Does it include the full model, or the nano/mini variants?
GPT-5 is not ambiguous, it's the official name of the model that released in August last year.

> All evaluations were done in March - August 2025.

while true, all the others got precise identifiers but for openAI it makes it hard to reproduce because i have no idea "which" GPT-5 was used.
It was called just GPT-5 at that point in time.
In that case, what tokenizer version? What was the temperature set to? topk? topp? FP32? FP16? Quantized? Hopper? Blackwell?
Also, nothing has changed! Claude will still yes-and whatever you give it. ChatGPT still has its insufferable personality, where it takes what you said and hands it back to you in different terms as if it's ChatGPT's insight.
OTOH, for Claude the study says 39% yessy, same as humans, 2nd lowest yessing of the LLMs; GPT5 above 50% yessy.
No dude, you don’t understand! It’s just so advanced now that you aren’t allowed to levy any criticism whatsoever!
It's almost like it is based on the training data and regimen that is largely the same between versions.
Well yes, but no. There's also open-weight models, and literally all of the listed above are not used anymore, at least by most end users and developers as far as I'm aware.
No study of ai can ever be done or be relevant because ever couple of months they are a new number to the name of the model thus invalidating all work around model behavior
Yes, you are right. Sorry, I missed that out. It's just that all the open-weight models mentioned were... One year old or older. I just forgot that, firstly, such research is rarely done on frontier models because it takes time (you start with Llama 3.3, but look, one month later there's Llama 4), and secondly, there's also a publication delay. I think I'm just too used to the world of software, where everything moves at lightning speed. Sorry : )