[dbt00]

How many American schoolchildren have Iran killed in the last 25 years? How many Iranian schoolchildren have America killed?

Where's your moral justification for this war of choice if "oops, 137 dead kids is a normal expected outcome"?

[gruez]

This feels like moving the goalposts. The OP and the preceding comments are pretty clearly talking about the targeting mistake aspect of this incident, not the war itself. You're moving the discussion from the former to the latter to it easier to argue that US is in the wrong, but if the argument is that the war was unjust to begin with, then do you really need a school getting bombed to push you over the edge? After all, even if they bombed an IRGC compound and only killed soldiers, those soldiers are still people's sons, fathers, husbands. Even if there's no deaths, you could still make the macroeconomic argument that any economic losses are impoverishing the Iranian people.

[kakacik]

No, I am fine with parent's take. We treat children as absolutely innocent (which they are, regardless of the way anybody tries to spin this or ie Gaza), and killing children is extra heinous crime compared to killing adult, same with rape etc. Children rapist get extra special treatment in jails, often from other murderers and society is largely fine with that.

As a parent, even when cutting off most of the emotions related to this horrible war crime, I am unfazed and unconvinced by such, even if well meaning whataboutism.

[gruez]

>I am unfazed and unconvinced by such, even if well meaning whataboutism.

No, it's not whataboutism, it's moving the goalposts. Consider the following exchange:

Alice: "McDonalds mistreats its workers by paying them below the minimum wage"

Bob: "No they don't. They all get paid at or above the local minimum wage"

Charlie: "Well that doesn't matter, because McDonald's still mistreats its workers because it's a capitalist institution, which by definition means they're siphoning the fruits of the worker's labor"

Even if you agree with Charlie's point, at the very least it's in poor taste to bring it up in a conversation specifically talking about the minimum wage. Otherwise every discussion about some aspect of [thing] just turns into a plebiscite about [thing].

[ashdksnndck]

The only reason Iranian bombs aren’t hitting America is because their range isn’t long enough. Iran-commanded forces (located in Iran, Lebanon, Yemen) have been targeting civilians for many years.

[cramsession]

The only reason Iran would attack the US is because we back the terror colony of Israel. No Israel, no war.

[ashdksnndck]

So to clarify, your argument is it’s ok to target civilians with bombs as long as they are located in a nation that practices terror?

[cramsession]

Iran has never targeted the US but if they did, I would assume they would hit military targets.

[ashdksnndck]

Iran and its proxies frequently target civilians. They would make an exception for the US?

[cramsession]

How many American civilians have Iran killed? I would not consider Zionists to be civilians, they're literally living on stolen land.

[lejalv]

This is just your opinion. The tragedy here is that there are people with similar opinion and bombs at their disposal that feel complete impunity and go around murdering in the world

Also, remembe the CIA co-staged a coup in Iran in 1953. That's one fact, nor just opinion.

[baublet]

I suspect if the IRGC accidentally blew up a school next to a military base in Oklahoma, they would find it in them to condemn those who made such an innocent mistake.

[lejalv]

That's all speculation. What we know is that the US agressed Iran without provocation and in the midst of negotiations and started by blowing up a school and not owning up to it. And now they have threatened multiple times with destroying the civilian energy infrastructure, which is a war crime.

[jvanderbot]

Please ask yourself if there is true evil in the world. People who are willing to kill children on purpose, or maim them, or burn them with acid, or commit other bad things I wont get into.

Then ask yourself if bad things can happen despite good intents. Truly horrible things, in fact, despite effort to prevent them.

Then, ask if this bombing was part of group A or group B.

And ask if we were trying to target people from group A or group B.

This is not an "ends justify the means" argument, I hope. But if you want to count bodies as some kind of justification for or against war because apparently morals can be reduced to addition and subtraction, you might as well at least classify the dead and causes correctly.

[zmmmmm]

> Then, ask if this bombing was part of group A or group B.

false dichotomies are a common rhetorical method (and sometimes useful) to argue your way to a moral justification, but that doesn't make them reflect reality

There is no A and B. You want to force a situation where B is pure good intent and we either have to choose that or choose A where there is only bad intent. The reality is, this war is about ego, power and money as much as it is about any "good intent". The decisions to start the war were made with a full knowledge of the risks and costs it would entail, with almost all of those being externalised to other people than those taking the choices.

Nobody taking those choices should get to just opt out of moral responsibility with some easy "A / B" logic.

[bdangubic]

We (US) are definitely in Group A. We killed and are continuing to kill more innocent people (including children) than everyone else combined but are always hiding under “oh, we really good guys here, just shit happens while we are bombing around the world for decades for no particular reason until we eventually lose and leave”)

[yibg]

Group A also include starting a war for bad reasons and then "accidentally" killing school children as a result.

[andrepd]

Evil is commiting atrocious acts for self-interest. This is a description of US foreign policy (not exclusively, of course). Killing 150 schoolchildren is unfortunately but a fraction of a drop in the bucket of atrocities committed by either the US or Israel.

Good intents? Please.