[pavel_lishin]

It would be nice if I didn't get beaten with a hose in a vain attempt to prove that I unlocked the "real" one.

[pstuart]

I maintain that the series "24" back in the day did us all a great disservice by promoting the value of torture to "save the world".

I'm hard pressed to find any reason for any citizen to be compelled to share their secrets with the police because the police had "suspicions".

The 4th and 5th are paramount for a free society.

[iamnothere]

If your country has this problem, you’re way past worrying about phones, and you need to be acquiring arms and training.

[whatsupdog]

It's illegal to have any decently good arms in Canada.

[iamnothere]

If you live in a country where the police will beat you to extract a confession, it may be time to start violating the law.

(To my knowledge this is not the case in Canada.)

[whatsupdog]

> To my knowledge this is not the case in Canada.

Not yet. But with them changing the law to enlist foreigners (who, of course, will care less about Canadians and their rights) in the armed forces, it will change soon.

[kleiba]

> with a hose

You mean wrench? https://xkcd.com/538/

[Stefan-H]

If you've read Applied Cryptography, you'd know it is definitely a hose.