[9wzYQbTYsAIc]

Node RED is still unwieldy for the masses, as easy as it is for a consumer to install, it’s not necessarily as easy to use.

Consumer grade automations built on node-RED? I suppose it depends on the market, but most people aren’t going to want to fiddle with it, I suspect.

A plugin for Chrome might be able to take off though, or some killer mobile app, but it needs to run on a cheap phone and control things without having to keep track of loops and logic and variables and all the fun stuff.

[PurpleRamen]

None of the tools here are for the masses. Automation in itself is already hard to grasp for the average user, and while some of those are simpler to start than others, they all are wall to climb.