[Ralfp]

Have you considered that due to their education and research those people may know more on the subject than you do?

Regret rates for transition remain notoriously low (within 2%) with main reasons for regret stated to be transitioning too late or environmental lack of acceptance or support.

Besides, despite some orgs claiming there is a "transgender trend", we are just not seeing this in the data.

[ipaddr]

It's hard to impossible to go back. But the suicide rate is high.

[Ralfp]

It is high because primarily a minority stress of being a transgender person in unaccepting environment:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266656032...

[ipaddr]

After reading the above I don't believe they concluded stress of living in a non-accepting world is the primary reason.

30% think about killing themselves and 4%+ try each year is shocking. I think whatever side of the debate you are on we can agree things aren't working out for too many people who go through this process. If this was a drug or vaccine or hair shampoo it would have been pulled off the market.

[dpark]

> people who go through this process

Through what process? This was a study about trans and nonbinary people, not specifically about people who have “transitioned”

I would imagine the rate of depression and similar disorders in trans people is extremely high. To be so unsatisfied with one’s own body that you consider (or go through) major treatment and surgery to change something so fundamental.

[appreciatorBus]

> despite some orgs claiming there is a "transgender trend", we are just not seeing this in the data.'

Rapid-onset gender dysphoria is a well documented phenomenon.

https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(16)30765-0/abst...

https://statsforgender.org/since-the-turn-of-the-millennium-...

[Ralfp]

It is not.

Lisa Littmans research behind „rapid onset gender dysphoria” is a survey amongst parents recruited on three anti-trans internet sites and communities:

https://psychcentral.com/lib/there-is-no-evidence-that-rapid...

    The study was based on 256 responses to an online survey of parents recruited from these three websites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_c...

That by itself means its heavily biased research on a weak sample.

„Stats for Gender” site is ran by Genspect, which is also a biased source on the subject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genspect

[appreciatorBus]

> Genspect, which is also a biased source on the subject:

Organization that supports position <x> supports position <x>.

If Genspect can be discarded as being a biased source, then so can WPATH and every other org supporting gender ideology.

Given the fraught nature of the debate, Wikipedia seems like a poor source for determining the bias of players in the debate - the most passionate debaters have plenty of time to just edit Wikipedia.

[Ralfp]

Can you explain what „gender ideology” is supposed to mean?

The primary issue with Genspect is poor scientific rigour applied to their publications, as I have shown above. Pretty much „if it fits our platform, we will spread it”.

[appreciatorBus]

WPATH : if it fits our platform, we will spread it.

[AdrianB1]

That sounds like appeal to authority, it is classified as a fallacy.

[dekhn]

it's only a fallacy in purely logical arguments. Appeal to authority makes sense in medical, scientific, engineering, and other contexts when the arguments necessarily depend on ambiguous data and subjective conclusions.

[Ralfp]

Why is it okay for OP to question authority in the subject matter while me pointing out they research it more isn't?

I have also pointed out that regret rates for transition are within 2%.