[DiabloD3]

Since they fired the entire Arc team and a lot of the senior engineers already updated their Linkedins to reflect their new positions at AMD, Nvidia, and others, as well as laying off most of their Linux driver team (GPU and non-GPU), uh...

WTF?

[staticman2]

You are exaggerating, right? They didn't really fire the entire Arc team did they? I couldn't find a source saying that.

[DiabloD3]

Nope, no exaggeration.

The news that Celestial is basically canceled already hit the HN front page, as well as Druid has been canceled before tapeout.

Celestial will only be issued in the variant that comes in budget/industrial embedded Intel platforms that have a combined IO+GPU tile, but the performance big boy desktop/laptop parts that have a dedicated graphics tile will ship an Nvidia-produced tile.

There will be no Celestial DGPU variant, nor dedicated tile variant. Drivers will be ceasing support for DGPUs of all flavors, and no new bug fixes will happen for B series GPUs (as there is no B series IGPUs; A series IGPUs will remain unaffected).

They signed the deal like 2-3 months ago to cancel GPUs in favor of Nvidia. The other end of this deal is the Nvidia SBCs in the future will be shipping as big-boy variants with Xeon CPUs, Rubin (replacing Blackwell) for the GPU, Vera (replacing Grace) for the on-SBC GPU babysitter, and newest gen Xeons to do the non-inference tasks that Grace can't handle.

There is also talk that this deal may lead to Nvidia moving to Intel Foundry, away from TSMC. There is also talk that Nvidia may just buy Intel entirely.

For further information, see Moore's Law Is Dead's coverage off and on over the past year.

[chao-]

You may be a bit too credulous. There has been a "leak" or "rumor" that Intel's GPU initiatives are canceled about once every three months, for over two years. Yet Intel continues to release new SKUs and make new product announcements. Just last month they announced a new data center GPU product (an inference-focused variant of Jaguar Shores).

I can't see the future, but I can see patterns: the media that reports straight from the industry rumor mill LOVES this "Intel has cancelled its GPUs" story, for whatever reason. I have no particular love for Intel (out of my six current systems, my only Intel box is a cheap NUC from 2018), but at this point, these rumors echo the old joke about economists who "accurately predicted the last nine out of two recessions".

[gk--]

ah, so this is MLID. yeah i'll wait for the announcement.

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

MLID has been saying Arc was cancelled since before the first Alchemist cards were released.

[PowerElectronix]

MLID is a terrible information source.

[thesmart]

The idea that Intel's foundry could replace TSMC is hilarious. No. Maybe a gamer-focused mid-market card based on 30-series.

[throwaway85825]

Pat spent a lot of money on foundry to catch up.

[wtallis]

This is a chip they've had lying around for a while. It's the same architecture as used in the Arc B580 that launched at the end of 2024; this is just a slightly larger sibling. Intel clearly knew that their larger part wouldn't make for a competitive gaming GPU (hence the lack of a consumer counterpart to these cards), but must have decided that a relatively cheap workstation card with 32GB might be able to make some money.

[throwaway85825]

Now if they launched the 32GB workstation card in 2024 with cheap RAM it would have been a success.

[DiabloD3]

Still seems crooked to sell a GPU that is already lost their driver team and will get no new meaningful updates.

[wtallis]

Does it need a huge driver team pushing out big updates in order to be suitable for the kind of Pro use cases it's targeted at? They're explicitly not going after the gaming market so they don't need to be on the treadmill of constant driver updates delivering workarounds and optimizations for the latest game releases.

They're still going to be employing some developers for driver maintenance for the sake of their iGPUs, and that might be enough for these cards.

[unethical_ban]

I didn't know this. Have they officially given up on building discrete GPUs? Is this a last gasp of Arc to offload decent remaining architectures at a lower price than nvidia?

It is crazy to me that a world newly craving GPU architecture for AI, and gamers being largely neglected, that Intel would abandon an established product line.

[StilesCrisis]

It does sound like a very Intel choice though.

[mschuster91]

> It is crazy to me that a world newly craving GPU architecture for AI, and gamers being largely neglected, that Intel would abandon an established product line.

You still need to fab it somewhere. Intel's fabs have been plagued with issues for years, the AI grifters have bought up a lot of TSMCs allotments and what remains got bought up by Apple for their iOS and macOS lineups, and Samsung's fabs are busy doing Samsung SoCs.

And that unfortunately may explain why Intel yanked everything. What use is a product line that can't be sold because you can't get it produced?

Yet another item on my long list of "why I want to see the AI grift industry burn and the major participants rotting in a prison cell".