[November_Echo]

> Most of the cost will be safety systems designed to prevent the battery from being exciting and even then a crash will likely set them off.

People say the same thing about Li-ion batteries yet they have proven to be significantly less likely to catch fire compared to ICE vehicles [1].

> people who don't want to admit that large scale electrification is a dumb idea. We electrified everything that made sense to electrify a half century ago.

I'm very curious to hear why you think this. If nothing else, the 'situation' with the Strait of Hormuz would seem to have shown the importance of energy independence achieved through large scale electrification. Individually, I couldn't go back to an ICE car or even garden tools, they're worse in every way.

1. https://www.mynrma.com.au/open-road/advice-and-how-to/unders...

[fluoridation]

>People say the same thing about Li-ion batteries yet they have proven to be significantly less likely to catch fire compared to ICE vehicles [1].

Isn't the nasty thing about lithium fires not how likely they are, but how difficult they are to put out, as well as how hot they burn?

[brudgers]

Yep. Let it burn is currently the high bit of fire fighting protocol for EV fires used by local fire services.

[fluoridation]

It's only a matter of time before an EV catches fire after crashing into a building and a bunch of people die because the fire couldn't be put out.

[CyberDildonics]

20.7 million EVs were sold in 2025 alone. When is this going to happen exactly?

[fluoridation]

Is your argument that if it hasn't happened already then it can't happen?

[CyberDildonics]

Anything can happen, but you're predicting the future without any evidence. You just made up a scenario in your head, predicted it would come true, then you can't believe people would say it's ridiculous.

When was the last time this happened with a gas car? How often are fires happening with lithium iron phosphate?

You think a car is going to crashing into a building AND burst into flames AND be impossible to put out AND burn the building down?

When was the last time this happened? Let's think about odds and statistics super hard.

[AnthonyMouse]

Wouldn't they just chain the burning car and pull it out of the building?

[aduty]

Anyone who thinks this should give it a try.

[AnthonyMouse]

I'm not really sure what you think the difficulty is. A firefighter in fire protection gear hooks the burning car with a large metal chain, the other end goes to the fire truck, tow truck or winch, the car comes out of the building.

[dotancohen]

No.

[fluoridation]

Yes.

[nandomrumber]

If we’ve got data, let’s go with the data.

If all we’ve got is opinions, let’s go with yours.

[nandomrumber]

For a sobering look at the reality of electric vehicle fires, including his involvement in some original research, you can’t go passed StacheD:

https://youtube.com/@stachedtraining?si=rMfvXq_GFa1hT5ra

[Toutouxc]

I went in and played a few videos. I'm not sure if anything in there is "sobering" to me (as an EV owner), all the incidents that he shows make sense and the physics are easy to understand.

He seems to be pretty knowledgeable about battery and EV architecture and the stated facts and numbers seem solid, but it also sounds like he takes great care not to scare away his flock of EV-hating idiots.