[tzs]

How is that assigning the blame to Epstein's victims?

The scenario being described was that Epstein was ordering some of his victims, who were ostensibly employed as masseuses at his resort, to go and offer sex to specific people who were at an event taking place there.

You don't keep a sex trafficking operation going as long as he did if you don't coerce victims in that situation to play along with the story that they are masseuses and that the offer of sex is coming from them.

[elif]

"the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing"

if you dont understand what that is saying, i can't help you.

[lelanthran]

> "the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing"

You can't see the difference between "she presented herself to him as entirely willing" and "she was entirely willing"?

Stallman may be a dick, but at least he's precise with his speech - this means exactly what it says, and in no way means what you want it to mean.

[margalabargala]

I fear you are the one who does not understand what that is saying.

"The trafficked person did not reveal they were being trafficked, because they were trapped on an island with their abuser and were afraid".

This is not blaming the victim, nor a defense of the abuser.

[elif]

In statutory child rape, it does not matter in any way or any context what the behavior of the victim was.

[tzs]

She was 16 which was above the age of consent there.

From Minsky's point of view a girl who was old enough to legally consent to sex offered to have sex with him. According to witnesses at the event he turned down the offer.

[margalabargala]

Sure, yes, we agree crimes were committed. By Epstein and Minsky.

The statements that Stallman made about the nature of those crimes, were not what you claim they are.

[tzs]

Minsky turned down the offer according to witnesses at the event. The only crime was committed by Epstein.

[mikkupikku]

He's saying that Marvin Minsk might not have known that he was on pedo entrapment island and may have assumed a teenage girl was of age. Telling the entrapment targets the deal up front wouldn't be very smart. This is not blaming the girls, it was Epstein's setup.

[elif]

"I thought she was not a child" is never a defense for raping a child.

[margalabargala]

Legally, no, you are right.

When third parties are discussing the crime, "the person who committed the crime may not have known they were committing a crime" is a valid, reasonable thing for a person to say as part of a discussion.

Doing so is not a defense of the person who trafficked the child to be raped.

[mikkupikku]

You really do have a hard time responding to what people actually said.