[cristoperb]

> We all know Meta can still read E2EE chats

That can't be true, otherwise in what sense is it E2EE?

[gzread]

In the sense that calling it E2EE gives people a warm fuzzy feeling and makes people send more sensitive information over the platform.

Has anyone actually audited it?

[babelfish]

Probably their auditors? Lying about this would be tantamount to (very serious) securities fraud. Not sure what you're basing on your allegations on besides "trust me bro"

[gzread]

Why would lying about having E2EE be securities (as in stock market) fraud? Would that make any lie ever told by a corporation equate to stock market fraud?

[babelfish]

Yes! As Matt Levine says, “everything is securities fraud”

[gzread]

So if Microsoft tells me upgrading to windows 11 will make my computer better, you think that's securities fraud?

[babelfish]

Did I say that?

[duskdozer]

Well, I've seen services describe having "E2EE" where one end is your computer and the other end is their server, so...

[vaylian]

The metadata is still unencrypted. That also reveals quite a bit.

[interestpiqued]

I mean you can read it in your app and they're not just stored on your phone. E2E just means in transport from what I understand.

[SAI_Peregrinus]

E2EE means end-to-end, where the ends are the participants in the chat. They can read it on your phone, but not on their servers. They need their app to separately transmit the plaintext to their servers to read it.

[throwaway173738]

Which is technically possible.

[interestpiqued]

So literally what I was implying