[mmooss]

Israel has been bombing (and conducting raids in?) Lebanon for years. They attacked Hezbollah's ally, Iran. And Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for years. It's not true that the conflict began with Hezbollah's recent actions.

[password54321]

It is almost as if they baited a response and had already planned a ground invasion long ago.

[ngruhn]

They had a ceasefire which was broken by Hezbollah. Just like last time (2023). And the time before that (2006). And the time before that (2000).

There is this one weird trick for lasting piece with Israel: stop being hostile.

[komali2]

> Unifil, the United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon that operates south of the Litani, says Israel has committed more than 10,000 air and ground violations during the ceasefire. According to the Lebanese health ministry, more than 330 people have been killed in Israeli attacks, including civilians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdd560nvqqdo

27 November 2024, IDF shoots at Lebanese citizens

https://www.firstpost.com/world/israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-i...

27–28 November 2024 Israel shoots and kills several Lebanese civilians in a different area, and injures more with a tank.

https://www.ft.com/content/a1b60922-edb4-4cde-a870-95010be89...

29 November 2024 IDF shoots at civilians at a funeral, uproots olive trees, demolishes homes in Lebanon, and shoots at journalists.

https://scheerpost.com/2024/11/30/israeli-army-pushes-deeper...

8 December 2024 An israeli airstrike kills three civilians.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/3-civilians-killed-in-i...

I have about a hundred or more such incidents. The only effective one weird trick with Israel is to not exist near it.

I'm genuinely curious: in the face of overwhelming evidence of Israel being a monstrous force of death and destruction in this world, and popular opinion continuing to notice this and thus turn against Israel, why do you maintain the old rhetorical defenses? Do you personally genuinely believe Israel is just defending itself? Most Israelis I talk to have long abandoned that as obviously false, so I doubt you're motivated by national fervor as they were - they usually would toe into Islamophobia instead: "if we didn't do it to them first, they'd do it to us." "Why didn't they develop their land in the hundreds of years before Israel arrived? Now Israel settled territory is farmed and flourishing." Those sort of arguments.

What do you think the endgame is here in terms of popular support? IDF soldiers gleefully post their war crimes on Instagram and we all watch it, it's not like the truth can be spun anymore.

[bdangubic]

When it comes to Israel the truth will always be spun. And if someone “in politics” dares (or slips), she/he will ultimately be made to retract the truth (see California Governor just yesterday/today)