[Tempest1981]

Yes, it seems like UI designers only solve the basic use case: beginner user with 3 apps open on a 14" laptop, each full screen, or tiled side-by-side.

I imagine them presenting their design on a static PowerPoint slide, and upper-management says "beautiful", and they move on to CoPilot features, never looking back.

[jabroni_salad]

The Teams... team... took several years to let us pop out chats to their own windows. The minimum size of the window was almost half my screen for a long time, which was annoying since it had a mobile app and my phone is way smaller.

Someone would send you a document and it took over the entire Teams window. You had to exit it in order to chat with the person about the document. The concept of having more than one 'thing' on screen at the time was completely missing. My only explanation was that the developers had never used a computer before.

[robocat]

> the developers

Try not to blame the people working at the coal face. Developers lack influence in most companies, they are told what to do by product managers and the rot often gets worse further up the hierarchy chain. Developers mostly know what is wrong and don't like the shit they are doing. Imagine the anger of working on Server 2012 (Windows Server 8) with the default Metro UI - that idiocy had to go right to the top.

How independent are developers at Microsoft - are they in charge of product design decisions?

[saurik]

Most -- frankly, almost all -- developers I talk to at big companies like the things they are working on. I totally am happy to not blame a developer who disavows the stuff they are doing and shrug at me saying "a job is a job: this isn't the greatest market to find a new one", but that just isn't the reality of most of the people who are working at these big companies.