[lynndotpy]

For starters, you're not alone in this feeling. A lot of us are very hungry for justice, and a lot of the Trump administrations current tactics are openly grappling with the reality of jailtime and restitution if they lose power. These are unusual times, and so people who are not usually inclined toward retribution are hungry for it.

That said, it's hard to reconcile that with the fact that Democrats continue to be the opposition party, and failed to even imprison Trump over four years for the things he'd done. And even in the best case scenario, we wouldn't expect Trump himself to live long enough to face much justice.

The optimism left in me hopes that this era can serve as an enduring cautionary tale for future societies.

[leptons]

>the fact that Democrats continue to be the opposition party, and failed to even imprison Trump over four years for the things he'd done

I'd like to point out it was NOT the Democrats who failed us, it was Republicans in congress who failed us. I'm really not sure how you can suggest Democrats failed us, when they had 2 successful impeachments against trump, but it was Senate Republicans that voted to not remove him when 60 votes were required in a Senate split 50/50. Every single Republican Senator except Mitt Romney in the first impeachment failed us. The second impeachment for insurrection got closer at 57 votes in the senate, but Republicans failed us again.

Democrats absolutely did not fail us, they were the ones trying to hold a criminal accountable. It was and always is Republicans who fail us.

[lynndotpy]

I want to clarify my framing. In the same way one might say their goalie failed them, and not that the enemy who struck the ball failed them.

My phrasing that Dems "failed us" reduces politics to a "my team versus enemy team" framing, and I'd add more nuance if I were to express it in longer form. But I don't want to get in the habit of writing purely about politics here.

[tmountain]

Thanks for this. It’s amazing how quickly people are trying to rewrite history.

[lynndotpy]

I understand the feeling, but I'd appreciate if my off-the-cuff feelings about the capabilities of one political party was not articulated as a bad-faith intentional rewriting of the historical record.

[leptons]

My correction was more for everyone else reading, and not specifically you.

Far too often the Democrats have been called out for "failing us" or other both-sides nonsense (not saying you did that here), when in reality they are the only viable choice (capable of winning elections, don't get me started on 3rd parties) to actually fix the calamity the Republicans always cause.

Describing them as "failing" is always going to trigger me. They've done a great job in every single hearing and debate at spelling out exactly how craven the Republicans are - if people just aren't listening and describe them as "failing", then that's a problem. They've done amazing work. The people that really failed us are the voters, but more specifically the people who just didn't show up to vote because they think the Democrats are losers, which is how "failing us" sounds to someone reading random comment threads.

[darepublic]

You are thanking the guy who said "it was and always is the Republicans who fail is" for being true to history?

[leptons]

Since they adopted the "southern strategy", yes, definitely true to history.

[tmountain]

Thanking them for reminding everyone to hold the GOP accountable regarding allowing Trump to return to power.

[edgyquant]

The Democratic Party isn’t without its own corruption either. Pelosi is one of the best stock traders ever and there’s a reason why people voted for Trump. The border being open was criminal negligence and this isn’t just a conservative talking point cities like Seattle near the Canadian border were maxed out on services the could provide to migrants. Across the board our politicians are corrupt rule breakers, it doesn’t matter if one is worse than the other. Neither party can really prosecute the other fully because both need to see their leadership held to account and are terrified of that door opening.

[lynndotpy]

> it doesn’t matter if one is worse than the other.

I disagree with this, I think things which are worse are worse. This is orders of magnitude worse, and it is impacting my life more..

To keep things focused on the tech industry, a lot of our security is ultimately built on trust (Google and Apple won't ship malicious apps, CAs, etc) and this corruption erodes that trust.

[edgyquant]

Mass immigration may not have effected you but it did greatly effect millions in the blue collar and service labor market and generally speaking was a human rights nightmare for millions of people who were trafficked, exploited and abused by a system of corrupt politicians, NGOs and crime organizations. What’s “worse” is irrelevant when it depends entirely on who you ask

[SapporoChris]

There were posts claiming "Pelosi made millions in coronavirus insider trading," But there's not any truth to them. More details here: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/30/facebook-p...

[vkou]

> Pelosi is one of the best stock traders eve

For 90% of her tenure, her investments produced lower returns than an S&P500 ETF. The other 10% were all driven by NVDIA.

If she's the bar for one of the best stock traders ever, I must be a Buffet-level genius.

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Why do people keep repeating this lie?

[edgyquant]

Anyone can look up pelosi tracker and see it isn’t a lie. Why argue against the truth like this?