[pharrington]

Desktop and laptop sellers need to end their abusive business relationship with Microsoft, and start selling systems with a Linux distribution. They'll save costs while selling a better product. People who know they need Windows will always have the option to install it themselves.

[throwa356262]

I actually belive that is what triggered this.

There was a rumour 1-2 months ago about Lenovo and Asus meeting Microsoft execs and warning them that if win11 issues continued to cost them support hours and devicw returns they would be forced to find an alternative.

[jacquesm]

Now there's an idea I can get behind.

[hedora]

I've installed Win 11 in VMs and linux on bare metal quite a few times this years.

If you count "time to unobstructed desktop + working hardware drivers", Debian beats windows by a large margin. (10 minutes vs. 1-2 hours). Also, with windows, you need to type weird crap like this into a terminal:

   & ([scriptblock]::Create((irm "https://debloat.raphi.re/")))

Debian mostly lets you avoid such stuff.

[pixeldash928]

Highly doubt it's good for the mass consumers and non-power users in the long term. Most consumers would prefer household OS name like Windows or MacOS over Linux as a pre-installed OS. OEMs will always prefer Windows because of the profits they make whenever there's a Windows Refresh, no matter how bad the version is.