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This is obviously untrue.

It wasn't that long ago these devices weren't mandatory and they'd just suspend your license.

I am actually curious now whether that was more effective since the offender had to endure the judgment of the person in their life giving them a ride to work.

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I don't understand why this is obviously untrue. Do we have any reason to believe that those people didn't just... continue to drive with a suspended license?

Not to mention DUI is a fairly recent development. In the 20th century, it was pretty easy to drive drunk and get away with it.

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Yeah and what's stopping someone from drinking while borrowing someone else's car? Oh they don't want their car wrecked too? They may just drive the drunk to work then.

We arrive at the same place with the same real solutions (the people). The technology doesn't do anything except add extra steps and convince the public something was done.

If anything it creates enough hassle for the offender that new crimes are being committed with harsher consequences (domestic abuse), or dragging additional people into crime they didn't intend (negligent entrustment).

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>The technology doesn't do anything except add extra steps and convince the public something was done.

That seems to be the way the system works, selling a treatment rather than a cure, from antacids to national security.

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> We arrive at the same place with the same real solutions (the people)

This is always the case. There will always be murderers, and thieves. But technology just helps.

There are real solutions, and fake ones. Fake solutions include "make people not bad anymore". This just doesn't work, there will always be alcoholics, end of.

If there was less of a reliance on cars, there would be less drunk driving. We take drunk driving as a necessary consequence of transportation, but that's just not true. And, if we had less of a reliance on cars, we could actually suspend licenses sooner.

But as it currently stands, we cannot. We would just be permanently fucking people over in such a severe and unnecessary manner. Being unable to drive is one of the most reliable ways to become homeless in many parts of the US. This will only lead to more crime.

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I still disagree.

I didn't say it directly, but did mention depending on others multiple times in my replies. If you are truly all alone, that is the biggest contributing factor to becoming homeless. We live in a society.

There often is a ton of help for alcoholics with stuff like this. In fact, I would say alcoholics probably have the most support out of any type of addict because it's so common. When a drunk is forced to seek assistance to make their commute, it often comes with strings attached to put them on the path to quitting. I don't see what's so bad about that.