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by Underphil 90 days ago
...and then you have long time Linux users (like me) who cannot feel any of the benefit of removing that overhead. The only difference I can tell between X and Wayland on my machines is that Wayland doesn't work with some stuff.
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redeeman 89 days ago
and then there are probably as many if not more that notice zero difference at all. and a sizable amount of people who notice things that are BETTER, such as for example actual support for HDR and 10bit, per-screen refresh rates etc
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UltraSane 90 days ago
I'm pretty sure it simplifies the code a lot.
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flohofwoe 90 days ago
That doesn't help when the code talking to Wayland becomes much more complicated.
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gf000 90 days ago
Why would it be more complicated?

Most apps are just using GTK and qt and doesn't even care about their x or Wayland backends.

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rbanffy 90 days ago
This is what I was thinking when I read this. Wouldn't it just be easier to use GTK (or Qt) everywhere? They are already well supported on every other platform and can look very native the last time I checked.
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flohofwoe 90 days ago
> Wouldn't it just be easier to use GTK (or Qt) everywhere?

Which of those? GTK apps look alien on KDE desktops, and Qt apps look alien on GNOME desktops. Also, if you only need to create a window with a GL or Vulkan canvas, pulling in an entire UI framework dependency is overkill. There's SDL, GLFW, winit etc etc - but those also don't fix the 'native window chrome' problem in all situations and they all have to work around missing Wayland features. The bare window system functionality (managing windows - including window chrome and positioning(!), clipboard, drag'n'drop, ...) should really be part of the OS APIs (like it is on *every other* desktop operating system). Why does desktop Linux have to do its own thing, and worse (in the sense of: more developer hostile) than other desktop operating systems?

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gf000 89 days ago
Frankly I don't get your problem or how is it different on any other OS. So your solution to GTK or qt looking alien is to look alien to everyone? Like there is no universe where "GTK doesn't look good, I will go with a custom written vulkan canvas" is a realistic scenario. Especially when all this has been blown way out of proportion when companies happily wrap their web apps into a browser and ship it as their software.

So again, how is it different elsewhere? What about windows, where even their own frameworks look alien because they have 3-4 of them? How is that the fault of Wayland somehow?!

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