[Sophira]

I have to wonder how this will impact their partnership with Motorola. Presumably, Motorola will have more difficulty if they're found not to be complying with relevant law...

I hope GrapheneOS isn't completely banking on their partnership succeeding. If Motorola devices ever became the only devices that GrapheneOS works on, and it's being done with Motorola's blessing, then it could be more easily legislated out of existence.

[BLKNSLVR]

I wholeheartedly support GrapheneOS but, because of that, I very much hope they don't box themselves into a corner that's then easy to 'wall off'.

Having said that, the hardware being restricted to Pixel devices was always a tenuous proposition based on Google's design choices. If Pixels remain supported whilst adding Motorola, that's only a good thing.

[preisschild]

> based on Google's design choices

Google's Pixels have been one of the most open Smartphone hardware lines though. Only a small handful of vendors support Android Verified Boot with custom keys.

[matthewkayin]

But that's why they said it was tenuous. Google's Pixels have been one of the most open Smartphone hardware lines so far, but Google could change that at any time.

[shevy-java]

What do you mean with "wall off"?

GrapheneOS did not wall off itself or anyone else. The lobbyists who wrote those laws walled themselves off. I think they need to pay for the damage they caused with those laws privately. That way they will stop acting as lobbyists for private entities such as Meta.

[nickorlow]

I'd think they just can't sell the phones preloaded with graphene in regions where these laws exist.

[fc417fc802]

They could also patch their "stock" version of GrapheneOS.

[nickorlow]

I feel like Graphene wouldn't stand for that

[monkaiju]

Id also want to load GOS myself, pre-loading it seems like it defeates some of the point

[preisschild]

GrapheneOS allows you to verify the integrity

https://grapheneos.org/install/web#hardware-based-attestatio...

[lifis]

I think that's worse than reinstalling because there could be a non-persistent exploit in the secure element allowing a malicious OS to fake attestation

[throwawayqqq11]

Why dont they just offload the legal burden onto the users with a "Enter your * or decline" and move on? Taking this half compromizing position is easier to defend i think.

[pixel_popping]

Not really, thousand of sellers are selling products in places they "shouldn't", law and enforcement of law is very different (average Aliexpress seller will sell you counterfeit product and ship to the US and just wouldn't care), and some website/business owners just have balls, GrapheneOS could just relocate the company to some offshore jurisdiction and sell only through a bunch of third-parties that wouldn't care about local laws at first.

[drnick1]

I don't believe GrapheneOS intends to discontinue Pixel support, as long as Google allows it.

[joemazerino]

GOS twitter said Motorola's devices will come with the capability to unlock the bootloader, which tracks what the hardware requirements are.

[shevy-java]

Well, it is also time to fix those laws. I don't think lobbyists should be allowed to cause us harm here and force us to surrender our data to private entities.

[Markoff]

are you sure GrapheneOS will be preinstalled on these devices? as I understand there will be two options for these devices, own Lenovo ROM or GrapheneOS, all they have to do to avoid market restrictions is sell it officially with Lenovo ROM and let user install officially supported Graphene by themselves