[crimsonnoodle58]

Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones.

If someone wants to introduce an age-verification-ca-module, fine, but not make it core. Yes I understand systemd is not the kernel, but its ubiquitous enough.

That just says to every country around the world; Windows, Mac, and even Linux is on board too, let's make it law also!

I dunno, I always expected Linux to be the last bastion of freedom and not to capitulate so easily.

[wormius]

Systemd has always rubbed me the wrong way, and its uptake across all the base distros turns me off, but at least...

https://nosystemd.org/

There are still distros without it, I may have to go to one, since I already jumped Win10 to Cachy for the BS MS is pulling. I was going to go systemd-free but Cachy "just worked" compared to the others in terms of setup. So I stuck with it.

I wish Lennart would just stop already.

[wolvoleo]

Yeah it's one of the reasons I run BSD. I don't want stuff changing that works well. And I don't want big tech suits telling me what's good for me.

BSD is much less invested in chasing the next big thing, and also has much less contributions from big tech. Which for me are both pluses. Of course I respect those who differ but they have Linux.

And when I see what Poettering is working on now with ammutable I'm even more glad I'm not on that train.

[opan]

Your link's not loading for me, but I can recommend Guix System to anyone looking for a systemd-free distro similar to NixOS. For something Arch-like, there's Void (but beware it is not actually based on Arch, so no AUR or pacman).

[handoflixue]

> Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones.

1) It's legally required to sell computers with that OS in certain jurisdictions

2) I presume there is at least one person actually selling said

3) The feature is so trivially easy to bypass that it presents no reasonable privacy threat at this time (IIRC, it's just a numeric field with no validation?)

[crimsonnoodle58]

Lets up the ante.

After seeing how easily California bent OS developers (commerical and open source) to comply with their local laws, Canada decides they will go one further. They aren't happy with a simple date field that can be easily fudged. So they pass a law that requires all OS's to continually scan the biometrics of users using the OS. ie. Camera if it has one, fingerprint reader once an hour, voice analysis, etc.

They also refuse to allow computers to be sold in their country unless OS developers comply with their law.

Do you think you'll see such enthusiam to comply? Or will the line be drawn at some point?

[egorfine]

> Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality?

I have no idea.

But they did actually bend over.

[dathinab]

> Why?

it's maintained by companies

they have to comply with law

that they are mostly US companies doesn't exactly help either