[rileymichael]

> they require manually writing templates for the frameworks

the ones i've used come with defaults that you can then customize. here are some of the better ones:

- https://guides.rubyonrails.org/command_line.html#generating-...

- https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/Mix.Tasks.Phx.Gen.html

- https://laravel.com/docs/13.x/artisan#stub-customization

- https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/t...

> my experience has been these get left behind as the service implementations change

yeah i've definitely seen this, ultimately it comes down to your culture / ensuring time is invested in devex. an approach that helps avoid drift is generating directly from an _actual_ project instead of using something like yeoman, but that's quite involved

[maccard]

Sorry - I’m aware that rails/dotnet have these built into visual studio and co, but my point was about our custom internal things that are definitely not IDE integrated.

> it comes down to ensuring time is invested in devex

That’s actually my point - the orgs haven’t invested in devex buyt that didn’t matter because copilot could figure out what to do!