[padjo]

You're making me very happy with my decision in 2021 to resist the appealing design of the Honda and buy an id3 with a reasonably sized battery.

Also your in winter are you running the heater constantly? I find just dressing for outdoors, leaving the heater off and using heated seats/wheel means I only lose maybe 15% range.

[Asmod4n]

The temps don’t affect your range that much, it’s mostly the tires.

I got a heat pump and using the heater or AC only needs around 1 kWh during the winter or when it’s hot.

But winter tires increase the power consumption by 30%, just like with a diesel.

[themafia]

> are you running the heater constantly?

Something every car prior to this has been able to do without any impact on performance.

> means I only lose maybe 15% range.

Which could be a reasonable sacrifice if you choose to make it. It's certainly not included in the marketing for these vehicles.

[wongarsu]

Running a heater is easier the less efficient your engine is, because there's more waste heat to work with. ICEs have the clear advantage there

[1718627440]

If the energy is used for something intended (e.g. hot air) than it is not inefficient.

[Marsymars]

That's not really the context of the comment though. The point is just that an EV turns ~80% of its fuel energy into motion (with the rest as heat) and an ICE turns about ~30% of its fuel energy into motion (with the rest as heat).

If you need heat, an EV needs to turn more of its fuel energy into heat, while an ICE can just repurpose what was otherwise being dumped.

[themafia]

The second factor is your battery needs heat. So you may be forced to generate excess heat even if you aren't using it in the cabin.

The point being is that EV cars are a great idea, but the American auto market was not a good _general_ fit, and manufacturers didn't tailor their products enough to actually be successful. They really just pushed a bunch of product onto the market to capitalize on government subsidies.

Which, to me, is the real "risk." Manufacturer incompetence. That all being said my next car will probably be a hybrid.

[padjo]

What is your point exactly? That EVs manufacturers should be held to standards higher than everyone else who markets products by focusing on the upsides? Or that we should continue to use inefficient climate destroying technology because it happened to provide a side benefit that we've become habituated to?

[nslsm]

> That EVs manufacturers should be held to standards higher than everyone else who markets products by focusing on the upsides?

Eh, yes? They are presenting a new technology and want us to switch - they should prove their technology is superior.

[M0r13n]

> Also your in winter are you running the heater constantly?

Nope. But last winter it got really cold (< -10°C). Also the Honda was aggressively heating the battery