[GenerWork]

Remove the EV subsidies and ICE taxes, and what would that number switch to?

[the_why_of_y]

A big chunk of the $5 trillion yearly subsidies for fossil fuels is for ICE car fuels. See IMF Working Paper for year 2020.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2021/09/23/Sti...

[speedgoose]

97% perhaps. EVs are nicer and more convenient there. And cheaper.

[pqtyw]

Entirely because of taxes. Norway and Denmark are special cases because they already had extremely high taxes on ICE vehicles.

[applfanboysbgon]

Do you feel that externalities should not be taxed? That individuals should be able to do things that collectively cost everyone else in society money, without any expectation that they pay money into a societal fund to address the problems created by their own actions?

[pqtyw]

Maybe? Seems not particularly relevant. It's not like this cost is tied to the particular tax rate.

[tw-20260303-001]

> And cheaper.

You sound like a broken record.

> Remove the EV subsidies and ICE taxes.

[speedgoose]

Should I include the cost of the current wars?

[nxm]

Or bulk of NATO's defense costs, which Europeans refuse to contribute to

[8note]

from the impacts of the straight of hormuz closing, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine - electrification and removing dependence on oil and gas is a major defense cost.

any spending on EV adoption should be considered part of the NATO commitment

[tw-20260303-001]

Go on then.

[speedgoose]

Per my calculations, EVs are cheaper over the whole vehicle lifetime. I included construction costs and usage costs, in terms of money, environmental impact, and health impacts.

Of course, no cars is even better. If we could all ski, cycle, or run, it would be even cheaper and better for our health. It’s a trade of.

[tw-20260303-001]

We could all go back to caves, too.