[jzs]

I never bought into the apple ecosystem for the exact reason of not being able to feel ownership over my own device.

However i also understand the challenges google has. They/vendors are selling consumer devices with a consumer OS on it. Not everybody is tech savvy and a fair bit of people are too easy to trick into installing things.

An alternative could be to offer two versions(perhaps on phone activation). A business like version where a business(and people on HN) get full access. MDM and all. And average Joe mamas version that comes with more guard rails activated.

I can personally live with that 24 hour wait once, if it helps protect the average people from scammers etc.

[pllbnk]

> Not everybody is tech savvy and a fair bit of people are too easy to trick into installing things.

Almost nobody is tech savvy to understand how LLMs work and how subtly and convincingly they present incorrect facts, yet they are free to use by everyone.

Here, we are talking about the same company providing both of these services - an OS where they are supposedly trying to protect their users, and LLMs where no protections are needed (just censorship).

[phil9909]

I'm just not buying their explanation, that's just an excuse. Why? Well my wifes grandmother (80ish woman living alone) showed us something on her phone a few months ago: Big red flashing text that her phone was somehow infected and she urgently needs to call x and do y. Now how did this scam get full screen access to her phone? She installed a card game app from the Google Play Store, which showed this scam as an ad. And the little logo in the bottom gave away one more detail: The ad was delivered via Google. IMHO Google just wants to ensure Android stays under their control and they can make lots of money with it. They don't care if average Joe gets scamed (they even get a cut) and the measures they pretend to protect average Joe just don't work.

P.S.: Some speciation from my side: That ad was probably even targeted to less techsavy people power by Google.

[askonomm]

I can understand that point, but I'd much rather vote for increased education than increased babysitting. Increased education would affect those that need it whereas increased babysitting affects everyone, including those who do not need it, and living in a society where everybody assumes you're a toddler because some people are easily gullible and ignorant is just horrible.

[t0bia_s]

Just look how state works with solving all kind of problems with legislative regulations that, in the end, remove freedom of choice peace by peace. Neither you give responsibility to individuals to learn even from mistakes or take all of it. Of course because of our "safety".

[seanmcdirmid]

You can always buy a Chinese android phone without a Gstack. Then uhm, well, you will have lots of freedom at least without having to wait 24 hours first.

[em-bee]

yes, but we are talking about educating a billion people in developing countries. it's not just some people there, but the majority of the population. it will take a whole generation at least to fix that.