[seanmcdirmid]

> The west coast is the only part that relies on middle eastern oil. And a spike in prices will just get them in line and connected to the rest of the shale powered system.

The west coast is adopting EVs at a faster pace than the rest of the country. You could just as well see accelerated adoption of EVs in personal and freight transportation, Chinese manufacturers opening up US EV production, and so on.

The answer isn't necessarily drawing shale from Alberta that we can't really process anyways (without mixing it with light crude from Texas anyways).

[phil21]

The west coast also has some of the highest priced electricity in the nation, with apparently projections on it getting even worse somehow.

It’s amazing how much grift and subsidy leveraging the US renewables market has engaged in compared to pragmatic deployments elsewhere like China. Utterly insane and it shows how difficult it’s going to be to fix since it’s an endemic problem with American society at its core.

[seanmcdirmid]

Oregon and Washington state do not have expensive electricity. California does, but they also have light heating and AC needs so whatever. It is still much cheaper to charge an EV in California than to gas up a car in Texas (on a mileage per cost basis).

[outside2344]

We also have some the cheapest, because solar covers my 90% of my usage for the whole year.