[louwrentius]

I still feel that PHEVs combine the worst parts of both worlds.

The battery of a PHEV is relatively small and will be strained much more (as compared to an EV), especially if you drive a lot in EV modus. PHEV batteries tend to wear out faster for this reason. This drives up cost of ownership.

Then you still have the maintenance / cost of the ICE drivetrain. It does not make sense to me.

I feel that a lot of people buy vehicles because of the long-distance trips they make a few times a year. Long-distance trips are not a big deal anymore with the current status of the fast-charging stations.

Yes you may still do 600 miles on a single tank of gas with a ICE or PHEV, but you have to stop and rest, use the bathroom, drink something. Everytime you stop is a charging opportunity.

Anno 2026 there is so much choice for 'pure' EVs for the budget you stated, especially second-hand.

And then you may be able to charge at home, with solar, it's a no-brainer to me. This is possible with an PHEV too, but well, we discussed that here.

[Marsymars]

> The battery of a PHEV is relatively small and will be strained much more (as compared to an EV), especially if you drive a lot in EV modus. PHEV batteries tend to wear out faster for this reason. This drives up cost of ownership.

With appropriate battery management, this doesn't really drive up the cost, it just moves the depreciation curve around.

Think of it from the other side - with an EV, you're paying up front for a bunch of battery value in a consumable good that you'll never depreciate.

[WarmWash]

Toyota did a study and found that pretty much no one who owns a PHEV ever plugs it in. I know you qualified with with "proper battery management", but the reality is most people will be lazy and cannot be bothered.

[Marsymars]

Er, yeah, but that's an entirely different problem than the one I was commenting on. If you never plug your PHEV in your battery will last forever since it will take ages for the capacity to drop to where it no longer functions as a sink for regen braking.

[olyjohn]

So? They're just throwing money away. How is that a problem with the car?

[Pxtl]

Imho PHEVs were the right tool for the job before 2020 or so. The cost of batteries was so high and the lack of standardization on charging tech was too tedious. I bought a Prius Prime in 2019 and I absolutely regretted not getting a PHEV sooner. Governments should've been pushing those harder.

But the day of the PHEV has come and gone. The massive price gap between PHEV and BEV is now negligible, and the charging experience is so much better now.

[fpoling]

Toyota hybrids are very reliable and probably the reason taxi drivers around Europe prefer those. And with the proper PHEV the wear is even less.

[louwrentius]

I see a ton of Tesla taxis in NL. I’m not buying the hybrid story.

[slaw]

You start with wrong assumption. Compare PHEV with 70kWh battery + ICE vs the same model as BEV with 100kWh battery.