[roryobrien]

PHEV is the absolute way to go. Next car is 100% going to be this. I rented two EV's and had serious stress about charging in locations I wasn't familiar with. All the different plug types and speeds was also not helpful. PHEV is a great gateway into full EV.

[epistasis]

Rental cars as EVs are pretty much the worst possible case. We are at the transition where we don't have chargers everywhere, but we will soon because chargers are way cheaper than a gas station. Also rentals tend to be driven for longer trips, and for uncertain distances! And on top of it all rental companies tend to not give people any choice, education, or help with the EV.

I wouldn't bother with a PHEV for a vehicle I buy as I'm always going to buy EVs from now on, but for rentals a PHEV makes a lot of sense.

[WarmWash]

The two people I know who hate EVs passionately are people who decided to try it out as a rental, were explained nothing, just handed the keys, and as expected ended up stranded.

One didn't check if their hotel had charging, the other ran the battery down to 10% before deciding it was time to try and locate a charger.

[soco]

I'm in Western Europe and while there are chargers everywhere, you need hundred apps to register to charge, some slots are broken (empty yet show busy), some refuse to charge my PHEV... we're not there yet.

[crote]

Interesting. I occasionally rent EVs in Western Europe, and they just come with a single RFID card which seems to be accepted by all charging providers.

[pingou]

You can use the chargemap card which is virtually accepted everywhere but they add their own fees which can be ridiculous, sometimes it can even double the price of electricity.

[dangus]

I love renting EVs now, when they’re available.

They’re always the cheapest option and they’re often nicer than the cheapest gas ICE options. I’d rather be in a Genesis G80 Electrified than a Camry.

I just got a $100 charger for my relatives garage, which almost immediately paid for itself.

(Though I’ll admit, I’m lucky that they installed a 220v outlet decades ago for appliances in their garage).

[epistasis]

That's good to hear! We had some visitors, and we went on a trip to the mountains, and the nearest Level 2+ charger was some 70 miles away. It was a bit stressful for them, as they had never used an EV before, and the Electrify America chargers at the time tended to be either broken or in use. It was a major pain and stress point.

This will all get easier as the chargers become more prevalent.

[wpm]

My annoyance with rental EVs mostly stems from the fact that the rental locations don't have fast chargers, so if the car hasn't been back with them long enough before you pick up, the odds of getting it with maybe a half charged battery are quite high, since the rental co doesn't charge enough for returning an EV without filling the battery up first. So every trip is likely going to start with a secondary trip to a fast charger, which costs a ton and wastes your time.

[Pxtl]

I drive a PHEV with an old AC J1772 port on it.

Now that I'm comfy with "oh, install yet-another charging phone app" (a handful offer a website too) and the prevalence and backwards-compatibility of modern DC chargers and learning how to check which standards are supported by where, I'd be comfy with a full-EV, but I could understand being intimidated by that without the practice of driving a PHEV.

But to be blunt: It's a hump you'd get over, as long as you had access to an overnight charger of any kind (even just 110V mains) at home.

The port war is basically over here in North America - CHADEMO and CCS2 aren't a thing here and any charge station that offers those is just an old station that was hedging their bets. The only real standards you'll see are

- J1772 (the old AC power system),

- CCS1 (DC upgrade to J1772, backwards-compatible with J1772 chargers, looks like a J1772 with extra bits on the bottom)

- NACS (the Tesla port).

And unless you've got an old J1772 AC-powered car (like my Prius Prime), you can get adapters. So basically if you get a CCS1 car you need 1 adapter, and if you get a NACS car you need 2 (both CCS1 and J1772) if you want to be able to charge literally anywhere. The only wrinkle then is how fast you need to charge, and AFAIK NACS standard has more options for crazy-fast charging.

[dangus]

I totally understand the learning curve aspect, but I think if you owned one that stress would fade away pretty quickly.

I will first point out that for DC fast charging, there are only two connectors to think about. It is not really more complicated than that. It's a learning curve, but not much different than learning the difference between gasoline, diesel, and which octane to put in your car.

You would have your charging station at your house. That removes a whole lot of the burden.

Then, there’s just the sheer size of the expansion and reliability in charging networks over the past year or two. Where I live, there is no direction where I can travel on an interstate where there aren't chargers on premier networks at normal rest stops/truck stops (rather than in odd parking lots behind Walmarts or what have you).

You've also got newer non-Tesla EVs that have NACS compatibility or NACS built-in, doubling the size of the charging network for those vehicles.

You wouldn't have the problem of lacking the right adapter if you owned the car.

With long trips, we are talking about multiple hours of driving before needing to charge, so I think we need to rethink the amount of burden it really is to plan your route ahead of time. It’s gotta be less of a burden than getting multiple oil changes per year or visiting a gas station every week or two to cover your daily commuting.

I think the only people for whom EVs don’t work are people who take long road trips with a frequency that far exceeds the national average (e.g like a monthly 600+ mile trip).

[Marsymars]

> I don’t really understand why it’s such a burden to plan the route ahead of time. It’s gotta be less of a burden than getting multiple oil changes per year or visiting a gas station every week or two for your typical commuting.

Well it depends on your specific configuration/workflow.

I just get oil changes when I have my vehicle in for seasonal tires changes anyway - I drop it off in the morning on my way to my office and pick it up after work. The experience would be identical with an EV.

[dangus]

How often do you stop at the gas station to fill up for regular commuting?

With an EV, it's 0, unless you are doing a long road trip.

[wcfields]

If anyone from Ford reads HN: What's keeping me from a Ford Maverick truck is waiting for the PHEV version.

[WarmWash]

Just get a lightning unless it's too big for you.

[nxm]

PHEV are too expensive due to a large battery and ICE onboard. Mild hybrid is the way to go

[jrjeksjd8d]

Maybe in a vacuum, but thanks to government incentives it was cheaper to get a PHEV and most of my trips are covered by home charging.