[caderosche]

I don't think banning is the right solution to this. At some point, I think we are going to have comms devices imbedded in our heads and whatnot.

I think the right approach is finding teaching techniques that still work when every human has all the world's info at their finger tips 24/7.

At some point, an uninterruptible, 24/7 live connection to the rest of the world is inevitable.

I'm not convinced a human teacher is a required part of this.

[Planktonne]

> At some point, I think we are going to have comms devices imbedded in our heads and whatnot.

This will have limited impact because, at some point shortly after that, the moon will hatch and the lunar dragons will consume our satellite infrastructure, disabling all comm devices.

You can't make policy now based on nebulous ideas about possible futures, particularly not when those ideas aren't based on any reasonable inference.

[shimman]

Ah yes, some point (possibly 100s of years into the future) we have to be concerned with a sci-fi scenario not borne in reality so we can't possibly ban cellphones now. Just ignore all the negative externalities of these mass misery machines, we have to plan for a future that has no basis in reality!

There needs to be a politics of rejection, because I an assure you 95% of humanity does not want a device implanted in their skull where communication sent to you is unblockable.

SV has clearly cooked a generation of engineers that think working on ad surveillance tech is the pinnacle of humanity and not just another American moral failing that is wrecking the world while a select few profit off it.

[caderosche]

"imbedded in their heads" was a bit over the top.

All I actually mean is I'm sure that soon there will be some cell phone equiv tech that teachers won't be able to ban/control without scanning their entire bodies every day for RF signals.

[scuff3d]

We're talking about kids, not adults. You ban cell phones for the same we weren't allowed to play our Gameboy during class when I was a kid. They lack the self control and decision making capabilities to forgo something fun for the sake of something important.

Not to mention we have plenty of studies that show even a silent phone sitting quietly in your pocket or on your desk can be an attention drain, as you're subconsciously waiting for a notification to go off.

I'm amazed it took this long for the schools to finally ban the damn things.

[caderosche]

I don't disagree that people lack self control.

My only disagreement is that bans on cellphone-like tech will be at all enforceable in the near future.

[scuff3d]

They're kids... Even in some dystopian ass scifi future we all have implants in our eyes or some shit, we aren't doing that to kids...

[rootusrootus]

> We're talking about kids, not adults.

Frankly, I believe the world would be a better place if we did a lot more banning of smartphones for adults, too. They are like crack.

[scuff3d]

I quit all social media (unless you count hackernews I guess), killed all notifications except calls and text messages, and regularly leave my phone in another room while I'm working or doing anything that requires prolonged attention. Helped a lot.

[kingbiz]

I'm doing the same thing except YouTube and certain niche subreddits have been very hard for me to kill off. Also apps that I want to check up on every now and then get put behind a firewall so they can only access the network when I allow them to, but some are still able to send me notifications despite being blocked. I need to figure out how they are getting around that or better yet just uninstall the app. After I killed off all the big tech social media slop I found notifications for random things to be almost as bad.

[scuff3d]

I kept YouTube as well, but I tend to use it more as a podcast app then a video app. I try to only listen to it when I'm doing other stuff like doing dishes or walking the dog.

That's interesting that you have problems with notifications. I'm on Android and if I turn them off they've pretty reliably stayed off. I don't even get notifications for emails. Just calls, texts, and a few important ones like my credit cards notifying me when they're used.