[jack_pp]

Well was Jobs a "doer"? Did he get his hands dirty on the code? Or did he use his employees how we would like to use LLMs?

[aleph_minus_one]

> Well was Jobs a "doer"?

Jobs' talent was that he was an incredibly talented salesman.

[oytis]

Salespeople sell things that already exist. If you can envision new things that would sell well, that's a bit more than sales talent

[aleph_minus_one]

> Salespeople sell things that already exist. If you can envision new things that would sell well, that's a bit more than sales talent

A lot of gadgets that were claimed by Steve Jobs to have been envisioned by Apple (or rather: by him) - as I wrote: Steve Jobs was an exceptional salesman - already existed before, just in a way that had a little bit more rough edges. These did not sell so well, because the companies did not have a marketing department that made people believe that what they sell is the next big thing.

[tw-20260303-001]

Have you ever heard of Steve Jobs?

[philipallstar]

That wasn't too hard for him given he was also an incredibly talented market opportunity spotter and product leader.

[ugtr3]

Why do people write such nonsense?

Jobs envisioned the iPad and iPhone. Did he do the physical work? No. But he created direction.

Everyone around him at that time has commented on this. Are you going to claim they’re all lying?

[aleph_minus_one]

> Jobs envisioned the iPad and iPhone. [...] Everyone around him at that time has commented on this. Are you going to claim they’re all lying?

I don't claim that they are all lying, but I do claim that quite some people fell for Apple's marketing (as I wrote: "Jobs' talent was that he was an incredibly talented salesman.").