[bluegatty]

The Green Party of Germany is the most damaging institution of them all.

They are responsible for the situation by spreading ideological disinformation and fear mongering.

Otherwise Germany and others would be in the same position as France.

[notTooFarGone]

Wow - a nuclear-head in the wild.

Tell me please how building nuclear plants today will solve our problems in the 15-20 years it takes to build them.

Or how the conservative party did phase out nuclear? They were 16 years at the helm, why couldn't they stop it?

But no the fringe party is at fault for everything. That rhetoric is both completely unfounded and basically far-right propaganda. Congratulations - you got targeted and manipulated into a single issue voter.

[RealityVoid]

They could have... You know... Not closed the existing running nuclear power plants at all? The greens pushed a lot for that. I admit, the future looks good for solar. But to hell and back if I don't prefer a nuclear power plant to a fossil fuel one.

[notTooFarGone]

I agree on that fully - but that is a completely different point. The Lifetime extension and the costs associated to that are not clear to me. But of course letting an already paid project run is a no brainer if the costs are not blowing up.

I don't like the assumption that this calculation was not done by the book due to the greens being in charge of that. It's always the question: Lifetime extension can cost a lot and maybe it only buys 5 years. Basically I assume there was a € price and it was too high to pay. Maybe CDU would've payed that price but I don't think either is wrong.

[bluegatty]

No - it's not a completely different point.

The Greens - out of ideological fear mongering - forced the end of Nuclear, just like they forced the end of new construction decades ago, and keep the German public in fear.

[blitzar]

> Not closed the existing running nuclear power plants at all?

How many more years would you run a plant commissioned in the 1980's for?

[bluegatty]

A very long time with maintenance, upkeep many are going to have 60 year lifespans and theoretically 80-100 years. Some are planned for 80 years.

In the meantime, every day that goes by without building more, is the a day without the ability to walk away from Russian or Gulf oil.

[bluegatty]

Complete wrong on every count, but also hostile and ignorant

1) The German Green movement killed nuclear decades ago, not 'now' - otherwise those plants would have already been built.

2) The conservatives parties have been pro-nuclear forever - they phased out Nuclear due to populist concerns, not ideological.

3) This is not even controversial - this is literally just political history on the continent.

4) "basically far-right propaganda. " good god, grow up. Not every bit of history is 'propaganda', and I'm not a German Voter.

>> Nuclear Energy on the Continent and in many other places was killed by the Green Party movement <<

In Germany specifically [1] the data shows decisively an acute, anti-Nuclear populist sentiment, as a result of the 'Green' movement.

The German Green movement used 'radicalism' and 'propaganda' ate away at public reason - the evidence for this is how far away the German data point was from everywhere else.

It's why Russia is powerful, partly why Europe cannot support it's own industrial basis.

It's an existential problem, and Nuclear needs to be part of the Energy mix.

[1] https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...

[notTooFarGone]

So do you hold a grudge or why are you talking in the fucking past? Conservatives lacking a spine is now "they phased out Nuclear due to populist concerns" ok.

Is your solution to look in the past and blame everyone to solve the problems today?

Of course in Hindsight phasing out nuclear so fast was a mistake. Does that solve our problems now?