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by flomo 98 days ago
Keep in mind that Android has like a billion users who have never touched a Windows computer. (And unmanaged Windows was/is also a disaster zone.) Coming at this from a internet forum perspective is missing the scope of the problem.

> I'm fine with an opt-in lock-down feature

Me too, but it's really just some UI semantics whether this is 'opt-in' or 'opt-out'. Essentially it would be an option to set up the phone in "developer mode".
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Dylan16807 98 days ago
There is a big difference between opt-in and opt-out that isn't semantics. You can't slowly discourage, deprecate and delete the default the way you can an opt-in, because too many people keep using it.
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flomo 98 days ago
Yeah, I predict that "developer mode" will eventually be a setup option in the trust store, so you'd have reset the phone to get to it.

With billions of Android users, there's only millions of people who need or really want this. So like 1%. My point is stop thinking about your mom's windows box and consider the scale.

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bonoboTP 98 days ago
This is based on a view of society that is incompatible with belief in democracy. If people overall can't be trusted to act responsibly and not follow complex sequences of steps dictated by scammers, what hope do they have to figure out who they should vote for? Liberty is responsibility. If you are permitted to cook your meal on your stove, you might burn yourself. It's an entirely different philosophy where the Big Brother or Dear Leader protects you from yourself and knows better what's good for you.
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flomo 97 days ago
Keep in mind that Android is super popular everywhere democracy isn't.

I'm just spitballing something which would be completely trivial for any 'techie' (and wouldn't require jumping through 24 hr hoops), while improving the situation for the other 99%. Or Android becomes iOS and some minority of techies use some weirdo linux phone, whatever.

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fluidcruft 98 days ago
Do you have aging parents?
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Ajedi32 85 days ago
Yes, some individuals such as children and the mentally disabled are genuinely incapable of making good decisions for themselves and need to have their freedoms restricted for their own good. That's not a good argument for treating everyone like we're children or mentally disabled.
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duskdozer 98 days ago
Not really. With opt-out, if I buy a new phone or even just reinstall OS, I will now have to wait 24 hours before doing anything useful with it.
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