[stavros]

If they manage to expand their lineup a bit, that'll be my next phone. Or, if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.

Fuck Google for doing this, and Play Integrity making me unable to use banks is even worse.

[utopiah]

> if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.

FWIW you can buy a Pixel (new or 2nd hand) and install GrapheneOS via the Web https://grapheneos.org/install/web with nothing (genuinely nothing) installed on your computer and get it working in ~15min (depending on your connection to download the ROM) out of which maybe ~2min will be your interacting with the setup process.

I initially bought an /e/OS precisely with your requirement, namely I "just" want a phone that works when I receive it, no tinkering, but having installed GrapheneOS myself few days (or weeks?) ago I can tell you, it's really straightforward.

[goda90]

> with nothing (genuinely nothing) installed on your computer

Not 100% accurate. You need a browser that supports WebUSB[0] which are just Chromium based ones, not Safari or Firefox.

[0]https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WebUSB_API

[utopiah]

Agreed but that's in the requirements. I meant to say assuming your setup matches the requirements but that's indeed a shortcoming. Thanks for clarifying.

[armadyl]

They're actually partnering with Motorola and have phones coming out next year! It sounds like they'll be the Motorola Signature, Razr and Fold (iirc).

[stavros]

That's great news, thanks! I can keep my phone for another year.