[wildredkraut]

Yeah? Then try to drag out a tab of firefox or GNOME files to the upper direction, good luck. Then check how "awful" Blender 5.1 titlebar and window frame integrates to GNOME. Have fun trying to make Deskflow/Synergy working on GDM.

[flexagoon]

Don't know about the last two, but I just tried dragging a GNOME Files tab up and it worked just fine?..

[Ardren]

> Then try to drag out a tab of firefox

Works fine here?

[wildredkraut]

Here it just works to the left or right, tried multiple distributions Fedora, Arch, CashyOS, NixOS, no way. Perhaps an issue with NVIDIA drivers, running a 5090 here.

[iknowstuff]

Wow what a showstopper!

[renewiltord]

Decades of using Linux desktops and nothing has ever changed hahaha. Users still complain things don’t work. Fans still say “oh what a first world problem”.

Like a little 2004 era time loop. People still installing Dapper Drake. Haha.

In the time that people have been talking about the Wayland future to today where they’re still talking about it I have lived in 3 continents, met my wife and had a child, and experienced a few huge technology shifts. Truly amazing. I get this blast of nostalgia every time this discussion happens. Like looking through a bubble and seeing my teenage self.

[wildredkraut]

Fully agree, same here. It's just sad to keep watching this, because now just after approx. 15 years i started to evaluate the Linux Desktop again and it failed again. Many professional software like Maya, Houdini, Unreal, etc. that used to run great on Linux/X11, now sucks on wayland. Some are hyping Linux for the subpar gaming compatibility, while for GameDev Windows is still required. In 15 years I'll try again, but then I'm probably to old for this.

[pjmlp]

Or they say it isn't, but then from which OS are the games that make using Proton a requirement?

They aren't targeting Linux, they are targeting Windows Game Developers Kit, even when the engine is actually cross platform.

[ziml77]

When there's people taking the complaints as attacks rather than feedback on how to improve, it's no wonder we keep seeing the same complaints.

I just don't get it myself. When users complain about the software I've released, I look to see if there's reasonable changes I can make to alleviate their issues.

[philwelch]

Hey at least they finished Perl 6!

[NetMageSCW]

I think it’s more like they gave up on Perl 6, admitted it was a mistake, and renamed all that work like it wasn’t related to Perl. Where it languishes in mostly obscurity.

[jasonjayr]

Wayland breaks my slashdot-themed e16 desktop!! /s

[wildredkraut]

It's just some of the so many reasons why the "Year of the Linux Desktop" will never see the light. Linux is doomed to run mainly headless on a dark chamber hardware. As always when the Linux Desktop is just starting to take off, somebody comes up with a new great self destructive idea(wayland), it always has been like that and probably will never change.

[scheeseman486]

Wayland is why Steam Deck is a product. Gamescope, the compositor it uses for all the features that makes it compelling to buy, uses it and it's features heavily.

Desktop Linux was never going to go anywhere stuck on X. Wayland is happening, it's currently going through it's trial by fire and in the end (and for a lot of people, right now) it'll be better for it.

It's easy to say Wayland has been around forever and barely progressed, but for me it's pretty easy to see, based on the massive amount of fixed issues and new features being added to Wayland, that we're no longer on the horizontal part of the curve. It seems a lot of people have become blind to it's exponential growth. Also the growth of desktop Linux adoption, which is real and happening, in spite of 'Wayland setting Linux Desktop back by 10 years'.

[fulafel]

Gamescope is custom sw built by Valve, and all the games run under X (via Xwayland). I'd suspect you could build similar functionality without Wayland (for example a custom X server talking to directly to the kernel DRM).

I'd wager in a alternate universe where Wayland didn't have all the mindshare, Steam Deck would still be a product (unless some butterfly effect nixed it).

[pjmlp]

Steam Deck is a product thanks to Windows developers, that feed Proton with content.

[scheeseman486]

Huh, didn't know that all the Windows developers at Microsoft made all the Windows games. Super cool.

[pjmlp]

Trying to be funny, I see.

[flexagoon]

I am skeptical of the "Year of the Linux Desktop" as well, but saying that it won't come because of problems like that is crazy. Windows has plenty of bugs of much higher severity, and they don't seem to stop people from using it. People just use what they're used to.

[flomo]

The goal is to produce a stable workstation OS, because that's who pays the bills. That means Linux 'enthusiasts' who want the latest and greatest stuff have signed themselves up to be eternal betatesters. That part will never change because its largely intentional.

[iknowstuff]

Nah that’s irrelevant. The year of the GNU/linux desktop won’t materialize because it’s not a platform for apps, it’s balkanized, has no backward compat save for win32, and flatpak/snap are awful clutches. ChromeOS and Android will eat its lunch.

[MBCook]

Have you USED macOS 26?

[wildredkraut]

Nope, I stopped using Apple devices in early 2019. I can't accept their attitude anymore, of deciding what I'm allowed to install on my hardware. macOS is a bit more open than iOS, but is every year shifting more and more into the same direction.

[fragmede]

Except for AI. I can have Claude go dick around with gconf and .rc files and .input or whatever and have it set things up the way I want to work.

[queenkjuul]

You're clearly being sarcastic but when your display manager can't let you type your password that is very literally a show stopper

[DANmode]

> Have fun trying to make Deskflow/Synergy working on GDM.

Just install less secure packages, or an entire less secure OS,

we’re not stopping you.

[wildredkraut]

Or just install Windows, install Deskflow, do my job, earn my money, pay my bills, go on vacation, take a sun bath and stop using an OS developed by people wearing thin foil aluminum hats.

[DANmode]

Also not stopping you from that. =]

PS tinfoil is an antenna..?