[extr]

Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor now that they own bun, insinuating that anthropic shut down the auth from a position of weakness since OpenCode is a superior product, etc.

The thing is OpenCode IS a great product, I'm not sure it's "superior", but unfortunately the way things are evolving where the model + harness pairing is so important, it does seem like they are in a similar position to Cursor (and do not have the resources to try to pivot into developing their own foundational model).

[zozbot234]

I wouldn't call OpenCode a "great" product tbh. It's nice that it's FLOSS of course, but the overall quality is a bit underwhelming and it's clearly possible to build much better open agentic harnesses. It would be nice if more people tried to do this.

[tietjens]

The OpenCode bun dependency is an unsettling issue I would imagine.

[Ycros]

if you look at the last few weeks of commits, you can see they've been systematically ripping out everything bun-specific and moving to node

[extr]

I think frankly OpenCode is delusional to think that Anthropic is actually "concerned" with them in any way. Anthropic's concerns at this point are on the geopolitical level. I doubt stamping out ToS-violating usage of their subscription services is even on executive radar. OpenAI only allows it because it's a cheap PR win and they take those where they can get them.

[segmondy]

Opencode is not delusional, it would be delusional to think Anthropic won't after they have already threatened them.

[enraged_camel]

Yeah, I recognized the PR author from Twitter (same avatar) and man he really does come across as incredibly juvenile. Shamelessly talking up OpenAI while shitting on Claude models and the motivation is just so transparent.

[lostmsu]

I have a huge issue 10416 on OpenCode

https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10416

- their stance on privacy

[siva7]

not sure i follow - do they leak my information to their own servers by default?

[lostmsu]

This is probably the most exhaustive answer to your question as of Jan 7: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/459#issuecommen...

The also leaked all prompts to OpenAI until very recently.

[croes]

Why does Anthropic care how the tokens are consumed?

[Aurornis]

Valid question. It's because they have a separate product intended for use with general tools: Their API.

Their subscription plans aren't actually "Claude Code Plans". They're subscription plans for their tool suite, which includes claude code. It's offered at a discount because they know the usage of this customer base.

OpenCode used a private API to imitate Claude Code and connect as if it was an Anthropic product, bypassing the need to pay for the API that was for this purpose.

Anthropic has been consistent on this from the start. The subscription plans were never for general use with other tools. They looked the other way for a while but OpenCode was openly flaunting it, so they started doing detection and blocking.

OpenCode and maintainers have gone on the offense on Twitter with some rather juvenile behavior and now they're trying to cheekily allow a plugin system so they can claim they're not supporting it while very obviously putting work into supporting it.

Most of the anger in this thread comes from people who want their monthly subscription to be usable as a cheaper version of the public API, even though it was never sold as that.

[estearum]

Same reason movie theaters care about you not bringing your own snacks

[croes]

You pay for snacks in the cinema and they lose money if you buy elsewhere. Where does Anthropic lose money when I use OpenCode?

[bitpush]

This has been explained many times in this thread. Your subscription to Claude models for use in Claude Code is subsidized. That is, it is only meant to be used with that harness.

When you use that API key with OpenCode, you're circumventing that.

[croes]

That doesn't make sense.

The PS5 is subsidized because the make money with the games.

Printers are subsidized because the make money with the ink.

The API use is subsidized because they make money with Claude Code? I would understand if Claude Code could only be used with Anthropics API but not the other way around. 1 million tokens is 1 million tokens unless Claude Code is burning tokens and others are more efficient in token use.

[vova_hn2]

They want you to become dependent on Claude Code, so that later they can milk you.

[hooverd]

The AI companies can spare their whining about contempt of business model. They're selling a service.

[all2]

Because models are quickly moving toward commoditization, whether the big three like it or not. The differentiator now is tooling around those models. By eliminating OpenCode's auth stuff, they prevent leaking customers onto another platform that allows model choice (they will likely lose paying customers to one of the major inference catalogs like OpenRouter once they move from Claude Code to OpenCode).

[extr]

Why does Netflix care how the movies they stream to you are consumed? Shouldn't your $8/mo allow you to stream any movie to OpenFlix and consume however you like?

[dewey]

You are also not allowed to show these Netflix movies on a big screen in front of your house and charge people. The 8 dollar are for a specific use case, just like the tokens in the subscription.

[ForHackernews]

Unironically, you should. In a more just world, laws would mandate service providers not obstruct third party clients.

[theshrike79]

The pricing would also be different.

[ForHackernews]

Yes, content providers would have to compete with each other on price and library, and client providers could compete on UX and privacy.

[ForHackernews]

Because they're selling discounted tokens to use with their tooling.

[maronato]

If you use Claude through an interface that’s not Claude Code, you’ll only stick with it for as long as it proves itself the best. With other interfaces, you can experiment with multiple models and switch from one to another for different tasks or different periods of time.

Those tokens going to other providers are tokens not going to Anthropic, so they want to lock you in with Claude Code. And it clearly works, since a lot of people swear by it.

[ahmadyan]

because he is giving them at 90% discount in their subscription. they are more than happy if you use the tokens at api pricing, but when subsidized they want you to use their claude code surface.

[bobmcnamara]

> Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor

Like with lawyers or something?

[hirako2000]

Rather the hypothetical situation where anthropic makes a code change to bun to have a backdoor.

Anthropic leadership is delusional, not suicidal, so they would rather use their lawyers.

[ahmadyan]

opencode is a very meh agent.

Source: i run pretty much all of these agents (codex, cc, droid, opencode, amp, etc) side-by-side in agentastic.dev and opencode had basically 0 win-rate over other agents.

[green7ea]

I've been using opencode and would be curious to try something else. What would recommend for self hosted llms?

[truncate]

Very new to self-hosted LLM, but I was able to run Codex with my local ollama server. (codex --oss)