[anovikov]

But US mostly wins from global warming relatively, right? I mean, it's going to suffer less than others (except EU), for geographical reasons, thus winning. I don't think global warming is a concern for US at all (some places sure, Florida will be royally fucked, but not most places).

[graemep]

The big winners from global warming will be Russia, China and Canada - places that will become more habitable.

Its not just Florida. There are multiple problems. Many can be mitigated, but I very much doubt they will be as its easy to put off.

[_alternator_]

This seems like soft trolling. Global warming is canonically the opposite of a zero sum game. Everyone is losing.

[anovikov]

Everyone is suffering sure, but what matters is relative degree of it. Side that suffers less, wins against others and that's the only thing that matters.

And no, in China global warming means worsening desertification, in Russia it means melting permafrost that covers 60% of the country, same in Canada. Europe and the US are uniquely positioned to suffer the least from it and many industries will win outright. For example, there will be year-round tourist season within continental EU: all summer on the Baltics and the North Sea and all winter in the Mediterranean; winemaking in Spain and southern France will suffer badly and in some places may become commercially non-viable, but will expand to great lot more territory in northern Germany, low countries, Poland, UK, thus enabling a lot richer wines due to great variety of soils.

[_alternator_]

> Everyone is suffering sure, but what matters is relative degree of it.

Is that what matters?

[Jensson]

> This seems like soft trolling. Global warming is canonically the opposite of a zero sum game. Everyone is losing.

No not everyone loses, people in colder climates win a lot from global warming, especially Russia and Canada. There is so much land there that is currently not viable due to being too cold that will open up from global warming.

[ImPostingOnHN]

Don't forget all the states in the middle that are experiencing the worst drought in a millenium, with snowpack and river flows at record lows, all while each state is adding more people (and thus more water demand), and interstate river compacts expire, and years-long negotiations on a renewal have been fruitless.

[defrost]

In the short to medium term, sure . . . again, left unchecked gets bad for every human when tipping points are passed.

Eg: When surface ice gets very low the trapped heat will go more torward heating water than melting ice.

That's very double plus bad (ask a high school physics teacher about the energy used to melt, say, a kilogram of ice .. then ask them by how many degrees C does that same energy raise the temp. of water).