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by triceratops 85 days ago
No not really. You just have to restrict the same investor from buying all the housing in an area, and prevent investors from colluding on rents.
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Investors add to demand for housing. This will help drive up prices. And no, builders will not necessarily increase supply if they can realise increased margin of profit due to increased demand. We see that with RAM manufacturers. RAM suppliers constrain supply to boost margins. Same with house builders. The difference is people can go without RAM but everyone needs a place to live.
> Investors add to demand for housing

And here I thought people who want to live in houses add to demand for housing.

Investors buy houses that people want to live in. If people don't want to live someplace, you won't see any investors there either.

> And here I thought people who want to live in houses add to demand for housing.

Desire is a necessary component in demand, but it also requires willingness at a given price point. If houses are selling for $1,000,000 and you only have $500,000 to spend, then no matter how much you dream every night about having a home, you are not a contributor to demand.

Counterpoint: houses sell for $1,000,000 because there are more people with $500,000 (and every other number less than $1,000,000) who want those houses than there are houses.
How is that a counterpoint? It says the same thing with different words.
You said the person with 500k is not contributing to demand, they said the person with 500k is contributing to demand.
1 house is built. Alice wants to own it to live in it. Bob wants to own it to rent it to Alice. 2 people want to own the house.
> 2 people want to own the house.

and so how do you decide who gets it?

1) morally. Alice deserves it because her intention is more pure.

2) financially. Bob gets it, because he can pay more for it than alice.

Which choice above you make as a policy direction is a reflection of your world view. I'm voting for 2), but i can understand the POV of 1), even tho i disagree with it.

You are entirely missing the point. The correct answer is to build 2 houses. The problem with these policies is that they artificially restrict demand. If they didn't do that, nobody would have a problem with them.
> The correct answer is to build 2 houses

the utopian answer is to build two houses. But we don't live in utopia.

The constraints faced today is real (paper or physical). You can't wish it away, and you can't say it's "easier" to just build two houses.

So build 2 houses.
Sounds easier to just outlaw investor from owning houses they don't live in themselves. Seems we can't really stop collusion, only real way to win there is to not make that possible in the first place.
Then everyone is forced to buy a house to live in, no matter what their situation or desires are.

Of course we can stop collusion. What are you even talking about?

> Then everyone is forced to buy a house to live in, no matter what their situation or desires are.

Great! Now we're talking real solutions that can actually help people :)

> Of course we can stop collusion. What are you even talking about?

Besides laws and regulation (which already exists and clearly isn't enough), what is your suggested solution for stopping collusion?

Price fixing is/was already illegal in the US (if I understand the Sherman Act correctly), yet the largest landlords in the US was found to engage in price-fixing and artificially raising rents. https://www.propublica.org/article/justice-department-sues-l...

That's not helpful at all. There are many, many situations where you don't want to own. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47434393 You're telling all these people "f** you"
I currently don't own, and I can't either, because I don't want to be stuck in one place for too long. If the prices where lower, where I could reliably buy, live for some years then sell again, without a huge amount of hassle, and not costing at least one million to buy some shitty apartment, then that'd be preferably.

And besides just having "real estate investors" slurping up all housing, people could own one house then rent out parts of it, or a collection of people could own their apartment building together, there are many other ways to make housing work that doesn't involve huge companies owning large parts of the market. A little bit of nuance goes a long way.

> people could own one house then rent out parts of it

It's already a thing, called house hacking. Tough luck if you're a couple that wants a complete unit instead of a room in someone else's house.

> a collection of people could own their apartment building together

That's called a co-op or a condo (the difference is a bit fuzzy to me). This still involves ownership and upkeep of an asset, which many people prefer not to do.

> huge companies owning large parts of the market

Make it publicly-owned, for all I care. Or let it be individual landlords. Or forbid a single company from owning more than 5% of the stock in a city. As long as it's market rate and abundant and competitive, it literally does not matter. More houses = cheaper housing.

> yet the largest landlords in the US was found to engage in price-fixing and artificially raising rents

Your own link shows that we know this happened because there was a Justice Department investigation about the practice. How can you say enforcement isn't happening.