[tossandthrow]

No, I genuinely don't belive there is the future demand for that many developers.

And the developers we need do not jump through the career progression of Junior to senior.

Why the f** would I keep investing in a profession I think is dead or seriously contracting?

[jlarcombe]

Do you not find that depressing and sad? Do you never work with enthusiastic and talented junior developers at the start of their careers? Do you not enjoy interacting with them?

[tossandthrow]

Well...

I think it would be more depressing taking in exited junior developers, spending years of their life not believing that they are growing into any real career.

> ... the start of their careers

It is exactly this assumption I am challenging.

What comes next, I don't know - and I am not trying to kid myself or any others that I am well suited as a mentor for person starting out their career in the current environment.