[mikkupikku]

The US has fuck all to do with it. Vietnam whooped America's ass in a war which was far more socially significant for the American public (the Korean War is called the "Forgotten War" in America), still has their communist government, yet has normalized (relatively) relations with America and certainly the rest of the world and trades with everybody. North Korea is economically isolated because they refuse to be normal even by communist standards.

[skinnymuch]

I don’t think you know what “communist standards” means.

> “North Korea is economically isolated because they refuse to be normal even by communist standards.”

“Kim is isolated because she refuses to be normal like the other submissive housewives beaten by their husbands”

You are blaming the victim while acting like the aggressor oppressors actions are not their own responsibility.

[bit-anarchist]

Like they stated above, Vietnam exists.

> You are blaming the victim [...]

Pray tell, what crime did USA commit that motivated the abduction of 2 innocent citizens?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_of_Shin_Sang-ok_and_...

[skinnymuch]

I don’t get what you’re saying. There is a paused civil war due to outsiders (whites, UN, etc) interfering and still occupying half the country.

Not sure what you mean what crime did the current outsider occupiers commit after they did a genocide (and not using this lightly. There aren’t that many genocides)?

Sob stories are available against/for every major human conflict. The story you linked isn’t really relevant even to the severity of what we are talking about.

[bit-anarchist]

None of the sides are occupied, though, neither by UN, "white" people, etc. That's literally just propaganda. At best, by a large stretch too, one could say NK is occupied by Russia and China, the only countries currently vouching for NK, and, as previously stated, that's a stretch given their reluctance towards Kim' personal kingdom. It is more accurate to say NK serves as a buffer state to them.

What genocide are you referring to? The Shichon Massacre? The one only NK sources claim outsiders commit, for the sole purpose of promoting xenophobia and ultranationalism?

Finally, I think you straight up didn't read the reference. How exactly kidnapping 2 movie directors just to produce propaganda pieces are justifiably helpful to the war effort? I hope you have the decency to realize that this isn't a war tragedy, where innocents are killed/multilated despite best efforts. This is a large private corporation kidnapping 2 civilians from the other side for strictly private purposes.

If the relevance to the discussion isn't clear, the point is that North Korea, even as a Stalinist-inspired socialist country, doesn't need to commit the crimes it does to survive. You are just trying to dismiss NK's particularly rogue behavior under the excuse that "west"(which, in this context, is just a propaganda term, could've used just USA instead) oppresses them, ignoring even other socialist countries that do not have to stoop so low.