[mathisfun123]

> same member value within the same function body are stable

Did you miss the part where I explained to you there's no way to identify that it's a member variable?

> Nobody in the real world expects this behaviour

As has already been explained to you by a sibling comment you are in fact wrong and there are in fact plenty of people in the real world who do actually expect this behavior.

So I'll repeat myself: lots of hottakes from just pure. Unadulterated, possibly willful, ignorance.

[coldtea]

The above is a very thick response that doesn't address the parent's points, just sweeps them under the rag with "that's just how it was designed/it works".

"Did you miss the part where I explained to you there's no way to identify that it's a member variable?"

No, you you did miss the case where that in itself can be considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision.

"this just how things are dunn around diz here parts" is not an argument.

[1718627440]

> No, you you did miss the case where that in itself can be considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision.

This is not a side implementation detail, that they got wrong, this is a fundamental design goal of Python. You can find that nuts, but then just don't use Python, because that is (one of) that things, that make Python Python.

[mathisfun123]

> considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision

Please explain to us then how exactly you would infer a variable with an arbitrary name is actually a reference to the class instance in an interpreted language.

[coldtea]

>Please explain to us then how exactly you would infer a variable with an arbitrary name is actually a reference to the class instance in an interpreted language.

Did I stutter when I wrote about "an unfortunate early decision"? Who said it has to be "an arbitrary name"?

Even so, you could add a bloody marker announcing an arbitrary name (which 99% would be self anyway) as so, as an instruction to the interpreter. If it fails, it fails, like countless other things that can fail during runtime in Python today.

[NetMageSCW]

But now you are no longer talking about the way Python works, but the way you want Python to work - and that has nothing to do with Python.

[coldtea]

"The way our economy works is bad"

"That's how it's been since forever, it's an essential part of country X"

"Yes, and it's a badly designed part".

"But now you are no longer talking about the way country X works, but the way you want country X to work - and that has nothing to do with country X."

See how the argument quickly degenerates?

[mathisfun123]

ok then be the change you want to see in the world and send a PR instead of just proclaiming things lololol