[tovej]

The West Bank is not part of the war (if you can even call the Gaza war a war, it's an extermination campaign, but still, people do call that a war).

This is just a regular tuesday massacre for the IDF, not an ongoing conflict, just occupation policing.

[dplesh]

Did you serve in Army? Do you know war from first account? Did your country take part in a war in the last decade? Or is it proxies who fight your wars? Its independence war for Israel everyday since its 1948.

Israel, West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon - all contain a majority/big minority of Palestinians - yet only Israel and Jordan effectively impose law and sovereignty over them.

PA cannot deal with their own radicals. I mean, they actually hand out prizes to shaheed's families. They loves this guerilla war equation. Its good for the Palestinian cause apparently cause they keep doing it for years now.

But somehow no momentum is gained by the Palestinian movement, and nobody dares to suggest its because their head is stuck we-know-where. And this applies to West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon.

Somehow most Israeli Arabs AKA Israeli Palestinians do not have a radical/resentful sentiment towards the Zionist idea. Some even serve in army, or do national service. Some have houses I can dream of. But yeah right, lets blame the Jews.

This picture you paint with big words, holds no grasp in the Middle East reality. Its a Eurocentric perspective, mostly held by people in countries which fight their wars via proxies. Its non pragmatic for Palestinians, and only serves Europeans. As evidence you can see how far the Palestinian cause has progressed in last decades.

But in the early 21st century Europe is currently in the back seat, sits, learns and questions: How does Israeli economy is thriving even though they have so many active conflicts? And I'll answer what you do not even dare to think of: only a righteous cause can fight such war and have the upper hand.

[danbruc]

Its independence war for Israel everyday since its 1948.

It is not an independence war, it is colonialization and occupation. And the Zionists at the time knew that and used this terminology themselves. 1948 was not an independence war, it was the preliminary culmination of the attempt to occupy and annex Palestine into a Jewish state against the resistance of the Palestinians. And the residence against this illegal act has continued to this day.