[gusennan]

Vegetarian here. I like Beyond products, such as their chorizo, and eat them all the time. I don’t eat animals not because I’m trying to “eat healthy”, but because I’m trying to opt out participating in a system that is brutally cruel to sentient beings.

[ramon156]

I'm in a similar boat and have to give up cheese since it's part of the chain. It's a bummer, I'm pretty addicted to it, and plant-based cheese is just nothing compared to a good young cheese

I tell myself that in the long-term the pros outweigh the con, if you value being on the right side of morality

[tstrimple]

My wife developed lactose and gluten intolerance both right around the same time. Dealing with gluten free alternatives has been annoying, but manageable. Milks and butters I can easily sub in recipes to good results. I no longer use dairy butter or milk in any of my cooking. The vegan cheese stuff has been so gross that she's basically dropped it altogether. The texture and taste are so wrong and they basically don't melt. I'm sure it'll be "solved" eventually but a cheeseless pizza is better than a pizza with vegan cheese at this point in time.

[notepad0x90]

I want to do what you're doing, but if I can't do it well, why bother? If had the whole "cooking at home for yourself" thing down, maybe I could buy only beyond (not-meat?), but when i cook for myself, I don't even like cooking meat. I use eggs but that's about it.

A lot of the meat i consume is from restaurants and fast food, it isn't easy to get a meat alternative, that isn't part of a "veggie" item that has different ingredients (if available at all). For example, a "beyond cheeseburger" that uses the same sauce,buns,prep as a regular cheeseburger would be nice, but usually it's under a "veggie burger" with vegetable centric things with it.

Tangentially, indian food is awesome for avoiding meat, but restaurant ordered indian food isn't healthy if you eat all the time (a couple of times a month is ok, if you're fit).

[billynomates]

Unfortunately by still eating dairy and eggs, you are participating in that system.

[vouwfietsman]

I'm not sure what motivates you to write a comment like this, but maybe you should reflect on it.

The person you are replying to is consciously trying to make the world a better place, and probably succeeding in a small way. Are they perfect? No. But they are literally sacrificing something for the good of someone (or something) else. This is the definition of altruism.

For some reason, you felt the need to criticize them for not being more altruistic?

Finally, if you really want to live cruelty free and 100% sustainably, the only option is to throw yourself off of a bridge because any time you interact with modern society you are producing CO2 indirectly and potentially harming animals, no matter how careful you are.

[latexr]

Who says they eat dairy and eggs? “Vegetarian” isn’t such a simplistic label like that. It doesn’t mean “I eat exactly these things”. For all we know, they eat only eggs and from a local farm (or have their own chickens).

Furthermore, it’s a bad argument to imply vastly reduced complicity with a system is the same as full complicity.

[billynomates]

Yes that's what vegetarian means, 99% of the time.

Where did I say "full complicity"? But yes, animals who are farms for milk and eggs are treated just as badly, sometimes worse, than animals that are farmed for meat.

[latexr]

> Yes that's what vegetarian means, 99% of the time.

What’s your source for that claim? I know plenty of vegetarians and there’s not a single one where I could assume they eat both dairy and eggs. I don’t think any of them drink milk (oat drinks and the like are common), only some eat cheese, in very varying quantities (from regularly to almost never), same with eggs.

You are assuming what your parent commenter does.

> animals who are farms for milk and eggs are treated just as badly

Again, you have no idea what your parent commenter does. With eggs in particular, there are different tiers related to the animals’ conditions. It is possible to make more ethical choices.

[codeulike]

But less. Total money from them going into system is lower than it otherwise would be, which must have an effect