[morgengold]

I have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.

[hjkl0]

> they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination

This is the biggest lie of all.

Israeli Jews constantly dream about eliminating the Palestinian people. We talk about it openly and without shame.

We discuss pros and cons in terms of security, legality, world public opinion, etc. These are the only considerations. We don’t see any humanity there. We just need their land.

That said, it’s true that some Palestinians have dreams of defending themselves from us.

I believe they need all the help they can get.

[poisonarena]

>Israeli Jews constantly dream about eliminating the Palestinian people. We talk about it openly and without shame.

We? speak for yourself loser

[oa335]

“ 82 percent of respondents supported the expulsion of Gaza's residents, while 56 percent favored expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel.”

“ Nearly half (47 percent) of respondents agreed that "when conquering an enemy city, the Israel Defense Forces should act as the Israelites did in Jericho under Joshua's command – killing all its inhabitants."

Israeli society has a very, very strong genocidal current.

https://archive.is/QvrVu

[poisonarena]

a poll of 1000 people in a country of 7 million..

ouch!!! got me!!!

[oa335]

> poll of 1000 people

Yes… that’s how polls work…

Do you have an actual rebuttal or have the wounds to your ego and identity rendered you incapable of substantive responses?

Genocidal attitudes pervade Israeli society; both its leaders and its citizens.

Surveys by the aChord Center at the Hebrew University found that 64% of Jewish Israelis believe there are "no innocent people" in the Gaza Strip

https://archive.is/IDoSk

“ Israel's military has dropped the prosecution of five reservists accused of the violent rape of a Palestinian man … The shocking incident in July 2024 was caught on CCTV and later broadcast on Israeli television“

“ In a statement, the country's Defence Minister Israel Katz welcomed a decision by the military's top prosecutor to drop the charges, declaring "justice has been served".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-13/israel-idf-drops-sde-...

[wreath]

> i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.

I think by now we all know this is a straw man, considering the disproportionate amount of power both parties have. There is absolutely no excuse left for what Israel has been doing in Gaza.

[adrian_b]

This will never stop, because on both sides there are people who benefit from the existence of the conflict and they are the ones with power.

The last time when Israel had a PM who was willing to find a way for ending the conflict, he was murdered and replaced by those who want a perpetual conflict.

I have worked in Israel for some years, and the vast majority of people that I have encountered were very nice, but I have also seen a few that were definitely evil, and of course, the evil ones were concentrated in positions like the government or the management of companies.

Because most Israelis live in constant fear that if they would ever lose their technological and financial superiority their neighbors will come and cut their throats, when I was there, and I assume that also today, the majority of the population was exploited in a way that would not be possible in any other country.

Everybody had to work very hard, much harder than in any other country, and prioritize work over anything else, because this was a patriotic duty, like one might have worked in USA during WWII or in Ukraine today or in any country that is at war and its survival depends on how everyone works, except that in Israel the war has been continuous for three quarters of a century.

For the elites of the country this war economy is extremely desirable because they can demand any sacrifices from the workers, since those are supposedly not for increasing the profits of the company owners, but for ensuring the survival of the nation, and anyone who would not want to do what is required would be seen as a traitor.

For ending the conflict, it is not possible to just say that from tomorrow the parties in conflict should stop hating each other. Reparations would be necessary, like Israel itself has received plenty from Germany and other countries.

However, it is very unlikely that Israel will ever have a government willing to end the conflict, instead of keeping it alive as long as possible, to have something with which to scare the population.

[burnt-resistor]

Even post Epstein revelations, Chomsky's core thesis in The Fateful Triangle from 1983 still holds. A minority of hateful, brutish war hawks and crazy people on all 3 sides perpetuate a never-ending cycle of violence. The challenge is removing them from power and holding them accountable.