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by bigyabai 88 days ago
Avoiding threats is non-optional for most Israeli journalists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Censor

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The reason no one responds to this list is because it's just one big gish gallop

It's enough to see that you brought a link to the Israeli Military Censor to hint at a conspiracy, to understand who you're dealing with.

But even if you go into the list, you'll see at the top that those who were shot were in the middle of the battle, where Israeli forces were surprised, to the point of massacre alongside civilians. And there, it turns out, they didn't shoot to save themselves by the skin of their teeth, but simply wanted to kill journalists.

Also, a quick search shows that "Mohammad Jarghoun" ("מוחמד ג'רגון") was not a journalist at all, but a media worker, that according to the CPJ [1], during wartime he receives journalistic status. (Also not mentioned in AJ [2]. what a surprise...)

Another comment to the pantheon of "the most logical failures, in the fewest words". And then no one understands why the ICC will never consider such reports..

[1]: https://www.the7eye.org.il/501320

[2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/at-least-six-pales...

How does one say that a media worker is fair game, but a journalist is not? Both are classified as civilians under international law [1]. There are several airstrikes as the method of execution of these journalists as well. Good job cherry-picking the "favourable" examples. Also, I don't know what you're on about, but ICC is clearyly investigating Israeli war crimes of targeted journalist executions [3]. [1]: https://cpj.org/2023/10/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... [2]: https://cpj.org/data-methodology/ [3]: https://ifex.org/iccs-israel-palestine-investigation-will-in...
> Both are classified as civilians

Then say civilians. Don't claim what you can't provide. And DO provide context (like, was it still while the massacre was ongoing [1]). But all I can do is to suggest.

> Good job cherry-picking

Me cherry-picking: Taking the literally first entries, Array[0] and Array[1].

Also, you can't claim cherry-picking as invalid against gish-gallop. Since you can't enjoy the size argument only to retract items on the list after the smallest pushback.

Otherwise I can prove God. How? Every sentence in the Bible... Oh, you found some that are wrong? "Good job cherry-picking"!

And not to mention dozens of more problems with the list (no mentioning any IDF comments, no source for titles, etc.). This is just a bad list. Simple as.

> ICC is clearly investigating

Investigating != Judgment. But good, send them more. But please send them a list starting with items that might hold the smallest of scrutinies. And don't prove it by hinting at conspiracies just because Israel has a security censor. But all I can do is to suggest.

[1]: https://13tv.co.il/item/news/abroad/dynw9-903794689/