[frumplestlatz]

We weren’t abandoned by Apple — Apple never contributed to upstream. Darwin and OpenDarwin were APSL projects and never fed code back into FreeBSD.

Using macOS meant we got laptop hardware that worked reliably, including Wi-Fi, running a more or less BSD-derived userspace.

The lack of graphics and Wi-Fi driver support on the *BSDs is not Apple’s fault. It has always been a resource issue.

Thanks to the AT&T lawsuit, Linux secured momentum at a critical juncture — and here we are. Path dependence and the complexities of real life mean that “winning” is never just a question of technical merit.

[pjmlp]

A consequence of the license, which allows Apple and Sony to do exactly that.

[frumplestlatz]

I and other FreeBSD developers are okay with that — if we weren’t, we’d be using a different license.

[pjmlp]

Looking to some complaints doesn't feel like everyone is.

[hideout_berlin]

do you remember opendarwin? i was also at puredarwin but the project seams death

[frumplestlatz]

Yes, and Apple did kill it, unfortunately — but it was never an effort to push code upstream into the BSDs.