[zer00eyz]

I went to look at some of the authors other posts and found this:

https://www.antifound.com/posts/advent-of-code-2022/

So much of our industry has spent the last two decades honing itself into a temple built around the idea of "leet code". From the interview to things like advent of code.

Solving brain teasers, knowing your algorithms cold in an interview was always a terrible idea. And the sort of engineers it invited to the table the kinds of thinking it propagated were bad for our industry as a whole.

LLM's make this sort of knowledge, moot.

The complaints about LLM's that lack any information about the domains being worked in, the means of integration (deep in your IDE vs cut and paste into vim) and what your asking it to do (in a very literal sense) are the critical factors that remain "un aired" in these sorts of laments.

It's just hubris. The question not being asked is "Why are you getting better results than me, am I doing something wrong?"

[greggyb]

> The complaints about LLM's that lack any information about the domains being worked in, the means of integration (deep in your IDE vs cut and paste into vim) and what your asking it to do (in a very literal sense) are the critical factors that remain "un aired" in these sorts of laments.

I'm not sure if this is a direct response to the article or a general point. The article includes an appendix about my use of LLMs and the domains I have used them in.

[hypeatei]

Not GP, but your appendix about LLM usage matches exactly how I use it too: mainly for rubber ducking and research. The codegen it's useful for (that I've found) is generating unit tests. Code coverage tools and a quick skim are more than sufficient for quality checks since unit tests are mostly boilerplate and you want to make sure that different branches are being covered.

[greggyb]

I've had a large project recently which has biased my view on unit testing from LLMs. It includes a lot of parsing and other workflows that require character-specific placement in strings for a lot of tests. Due to how tokenization works, that is a gnarly use case for LLMs. I am trying not to form too many strong opinions about LLM-driven-TDD based on it. My forays into other domains show better results for unit tests, but the weight of my experience is in this particular low point lately.

[antonvs]

My career predates the leetcode phenomenon, and I always found it mystifying. My hot take is that it’s what happens when you’re hiring what are essentially human compilers: they can spit out boilerplate solutions at high speed, and that’s what leetcode is testing for.

For someone like that, LLMs are much closer to literally replacing what they do, which seems to explain a lot of the complaints. They’re also not used to working at a higher level, so effective LLM use doesn’t come naturally to them.