[airhangerf15]

Snowden's story makes zero sense. Former CIA employee turned NSA contractor, making six figures, working remotely in Hawaii, one day suddenly decides he has a conscience, somehow gets laptops filled with classified documents, hands them over in the South Pacific to Der Spegiel and Glenn Greenwald, then goes off to Russia where he's lived unmolested for years, and his smokin hot girlfriend joins him and he's never faced consequences where as Julian Assange was held captive in an embassy for years. Meanwhile, every other whistle blower that went to The Intercept was subsequently arrested and Greenwald still denies it was a honey pot, going as far as to throw Whitney Webb under the bus over it.

The reason nothing happened was because Snowden is still a State Dept or CIA asset. He's an actor and/or a limited hangout of some kind to show the US government and claim to be doing absolutely insane bullshit and nobody cares. New Zealand retroactively changed their laws (clearing John Key of any wrong doing for illegally spying on Kim Dotcom), allowing the GCHQ to legally spy on all their citizens.

As far as refusing to work for these companies, I was on Linux at work for over a decade. But after my last job I was forced to take a .NET role and with a $30k/yr paycut. It'd like to get back into a good role again where I can use Linux, but I'm not sure if I'd be willing to stand my ground on this issue, because I also don't want to lose my house and software jobs are incredibly scares right now. Unlike Snowden, I don't have a government paycheck coming in to continue spreading lies.

[koeliga]

yes and the earth is flat too along with the moon landing of course classic

[airhangerf15]

I put down real arguments for my statements which I think are reasonable to argue. You appeal to the status quo.

I think the earth is round. I'm a "globe-head," but I have MAD respect for people who hold such a controversial viewpoint. I think they're wrong, but I've read a lot of their stuff and don't think they're stupid.

I'm 50/50 on the moon landing. You would probably be too if you actually looked into it.

The scientifically learned use to thing leaches and bloodletting was innovative. Many of the things we think of as being scientifically enlightened today will be looked upon with horror 200 years from now.

[EA]

We landed on the Moon. Frame-by-frame analysis of the dust coming off the Lunar Rover at the speed and trajectory shown on video from the Moon proves the Rover was in 1/6th the gravity of Earth [1]. There was no way for that 1/6th gravity to be faked on Earth in 1971. Incidentally, probes recently sent to the Moon show where the Lunar Rover made paths in the dusty surface of the Moon, and those paths align with the original video from the early 1970s.

Flat Earth only has a handful of anecdotal short-range observations of some flat areas of Earth taken from a perspective near ground level. Relative to the size of the Earth, those short-distance observations are dominated by the margins of error in the observation. All of those sight lines are accounted for in LIDAR scans of the Earth as well as the WGS84 model.

For less than $1,000 you can send a high-altitude balloon up to see the slight curvature of the Earth. For a few thousand dollars, you can circumnavigate the Earth in an airplane along a common latitude. For tens of thousands of dollars you can go to Antarctica and see the 24-hour Sun from November to January. Or you could just have all your friends from around the globe point to the Sun and measure that angle. With basic trigonometry, you can see the Sun is about 92 million miles away.

[1] Hsu & Horányi (2012), University of Colorado Boulder - "Ballistic motion of dust particles in the Lunar Roving Vehicle dust trails," American Journal of Physics: https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012AmJPh..80..452H/abstra...