[AnthonyMouse]

> Most people using these things aren't going to be using more than 8GB on an ongoing basis, and if they do, they'll not be swapping it like mad as you suggest, because it's only on application-switch that it will matter.

To begin with, a single application can pretty easily use more than 8GB by itself these days.

But suppose you are using multiple applications at once. If one of them actually has a large working set size -- rendering, AI, code compiling, etc. -- and then you run it in the background because it takes a long time (and especially takes a long time when you're swapping), its working set size is stuck in physical memory because it's actively using it even in the background and if it got swapped out it would just have to be swapped right back in again. If that takes 6GB, you now only have 2GB for your OS and whatever application you're running in the foreground. And if it takes 10GB then it doesn't matter if you're even running anything else.

Now, does that mean that everybody is doing this? Of course not. But if that is what you're doing, it's not great that you may not even notice that it's happening and then you end up with a worn out drive which is soldered on for no legitimate reason.

> As for 600TB in just over 3 days, I want some of what you're smoking.

2GB/s is 8200GB/hour is 172.8TB/day. It's the worst case scenario if you max out the drive.

In practice it might get hot and start thermally limiting before then, or be doing both reads and writes and then not be able to sustain that level of write performance, but "about a week" is hardly much better.

[spacedcowboy]

Yeah dude, "Rendering, AI, code compiling,..." is not the target market for this device. It's just not.

> 2GB/s is 8200GB/hour is 172.8TB/day. It's the worst case scenario if you max out the drive.

Right, which is completely and utterly unrealistic. As I said, I want what you're smoking.

I have an 8GB M1 mini lying around somewhere (I just moved country) which was my kids computer for several years before he got an MBP this Xmas. He had the sort of load that would be more typical - web-browsing, playing games, writing the occasional thing in Pages, streaming video, etc. etc. If I can find it (I was planning on making it the machine to manage my CNC) I'll look at the SMART output from that. I'm willing to bet it's not going to look much different from the above...

[AnthonyMouse]

> Yeah dude, "Rendering, AI, code compiling,..." is not the target market for this device. It's just not.

None of the people who want to do those things but can't afford a more expensive machine will ever attempt to do them on the machine they can actually afford then, is that right?

> Right, which is completely and utterly unrealistic.

"Unrealistic" is something that doesn't happen. This is something that happens if you use that machine in a particular way, and there are many people who use machines in that way.

> He had the sort of load that would be more typical - web-browsing, playing games, writing the occasional thing in Pages, streaming video, etc. etc.

Then you would have a sample size of one determined by all kinds of arbitrary factors like whether any of the games had a large enough working set to make it swap, how many hours were spent playing that game instead of another one etc.

The problem is not that it always happens. The problem is that it can happen, and then they needlessly screw you by soldering the drive.

[spacedcowboy]

> The problem is not that it always happens. The problem is that it can happen

Ah. So, FUD, then. Gotcha.

“This ridiculously unlikely scenario is something I’m going to hype up and complain about because I don’t like some aspects of this companies business model”.

600 TBW in 3 days. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.