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by lubujackson 93 days ago
This is Apple's "Nintendo moment" when they realize they can package old hardware and win on polish and ecosystem.
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> This is Apple's "Nintendo moment" when they realize they can package old hardware and win on polish and ecosystem.

The A18 Pro isn't even two years old yet; it debuted in iPhone 16 Pro and 16 Pro Max September 2024. What's funny is none of the PC laptops manufactures can match the speed and quality of the Neo.

The benchmarks for the A18 Pro are impressive; its Single Thread Performance beats all mobile processors [1]; remember this processor was created for a phone:

        Apple A18 Pro              4,091

        Apple M1 8 Core 3200 MHz.  3,675

        Apple A15 Bionic           3,579

        AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme       3,546

        AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 230        3,538

        Apple A14 Bionic           3,382

        Intel Core i5-1235U        3,090

        Apple A13 Bionic           2,354

        Intel N150                 1,902

        Intel N100                 1,893

        AMD Ryzen Embedded R1505G  1,820
[1]: "A18 Pro Benchmark" - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+A18+Pro&id=62...
Outside of some specialized benchmarks only Geekbench 6 is more or less usable for comparisons between generations or manufacturers.
out of curiosity, what makes Geekbench 6 better?
Differences in score correlate to differences in performance across platforms and generations.
They already had that exact strategy between 2012 and 2020.
Apple have historically moved forward minimum requirements for macOS and apps a bit aggressively. They need to slow that down now if they want us to take the macbook neo seriously.
Good. So many software developers have gotten so lazy with RAM usage in the past few decades. I hope the Neo is a kick in the pants to get everyone in the Apple ecosystem to take memory usage seriously.

More efficient software benefits everyone.

> So many software developers have gotten so lazy with RAM usage in the past few decades.

Fewer developers want to write ASM or C, today. Slower to market, slower to roll out features, etc. While that may seem like a good thing, and probably could be, the market doesn't like it.

Developer choose heavy weight frameworks or don't make use of modern features in said frameworks to improve performance. And in some cases, performance can be 'good enough'. If I pretended to be a developer, if my app performs well enough, it's not my problem what else is running on your system. Besides, the OS governs it all regardless.

That said, macOS has a terrible memory leak _somewhere_ that impacts even OOTB apps and this hasn't been corrected for the last two major releases.

You don't need to program in ASM or C to write a memory efficient program. Swift, Go, Rust, C++ and C# are all reasonably memory efficient at the scales we're talking about.

Usually you just have to actually look at memory usage and trim the obvious fat. But so many developers these days treat memory as an infinite resource, and don't have a clue how to use profiling tools to even investigate memory usage. That and, maybe stop shipping a copy of Chrome with your application.

I'm hopeful that LLMs will improve the state of application development. Claude can write sloppy code, but it also knows how to write rust and swift, and it knows a lot of tricks for optimisation if you prompt it.

There's 3rd party libraries which know how to interact with spotify. I wonder how many claude code tokens it would take to make a simple, native spotify client. Or discord client. Or client for Teams or Slack.

It's really quite bad. 'Telegram Lite' is using 1.16GB with just a single chat vs Signal using 193MB. Somehow vscode (including their renderers) manages to come in pretty low compared to even Apples native apps.
> Somehow vscode (including their renderers) manages to come in pretty low compared to even Apples native apps.

Because the issue isn't electron, it's not freeing resources which you can do in any language/platform.

> vs Signal using 193MB

That’s still an order of magnitude worse than it should be. You don’t need 200mb of ram for a chat app.

I’d disable major OS updates and stay on Tahoe, and only upgrade if other Neo owners report it’s ok to do so. Ive been burned by iOS updates that made the phone sluggish enough times.

Not necessarily a reason to avoid the Neo, for the right use case. If I had secondary school kids they’d get one of these, but something to bear in mind.

Except I can buy two or three Switches with Neo's price tag.

Nintendo Switch - 279 euro

Nintendo Switch 2 - 489 euro

Neo with a proper SSD size - 800 euro.

Except you have to run Tahoe