[_DeadFred_]

We defeated the incredibly rich southern slave owners. We can defeat these shitty traitors.

If voting didn't work, they wouldn't poor money into it. If voting didn't work, they wouldn't be trying to force their horrible new ID poll tax laws.

[matt343]

It wasn't voting that "defeated" southern slave owners, it was a war. A war that leveled cities and killed more Americans than any before or since. Also, I'm pretty sure this man and everyone in his class control a larger percentage of the economy than any plantation owners. Saying we should just vote out way out of oligarchy ignores the history of every oligarchy in the world, and makes you at best and unwitting pawn of the pedophile ruling class.

[_DeadFred_]

LOL. I'm no pawn. I'm at best a democracy supporting, western Liberal society loving American.

Spreading fear in this way since 9/11 has dramatically changed America into something worse. I'm sad you've lost faith in Liberal thought and are preaching replacing it with reactionary nothingness.

We literally defeated the people who owned the system AND owned the workers, because we elected the right people and we fought. If we had instead burnt the system down how the heck would we win the war? This system was build for people like us. The first of it's kind. We aren't going to get a better playing field. The oligarchy WANT it burnt down. Stop doing their work and put your effort/energy into useful change, don't be a tool for them.

It's sucks we have to fight, but it's idiotic to seed the best battlefield we are going to get to fight them on to some nebulous, reactionary unknown one like you seem to want. Don't give up! And fuck the anti-American traitors!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsKu3Jh5IAs

[matt343]

The purpose of a system is what it does. The purpose of capitalism is to enrich the capital owning class, people like Peter Thiel, who will do anything to gain power over the working class. The civil war is a great example of how voting in a leader who is perceived as being a danger to the owning class lead to an attempt to destroy the democracic process that threatened their power. It didn't work that time, but looks at Cuba, Panama, Venezuela, Chile, Iran, etc to see what happens when a democracy tries to oppose capital. This belief that people who gained their position by exploiting the deaths of millions of people will peacefully give up that power is naive, and American propaganda from both parties pushes it to silence any real chance at change.

[rhizome]

"What it does" is a thing that can be changed.