[mothballed]

Somehow I'm paradoxically blaming socialism while also being acknowledged the thing I'm blaming isn't socialism and I explicitly said what I was getting was not that.

And this is why it's so hard to discuss, because you are always damned either way by someone declaring that whatever you were talking about was in the other half of it's Schrödinger's socialism state at whatever moment you were talking about it.

[wolvoleo]

You're right you did say that, sorry. I overlooked that.

To be honest I'm a bit primed by the (mostly) republicans always attacking our welfare safety net, our healthcare, our kindness to immigrants etc. Even our lack of exploitative ultra-capitalism. Whereas for us these things work well. So I jumped to the defensive too quickly.