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by koolba 103 days ago
> Risk free revenue to the VC.

How is that risk free? If the clinic goes bankrupt the VC will be on the hook for the rest of the loan. It’s not free money.

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They're not so silly as to have any personal or professional liability, they probably spin up a special purpose vehicle or llc to hold the bag if it all goes south
No bank would agree to such nonsense
It’s analogous to a mortgage in a non-recourse state. If the borrower defaults the bank (or non-bank lender) gets the leveraged company, but can’t usually go upstream.
It's called "financial engineering" and banks and courts agree to it on the daily.
> No bank would agree to such nonsense

Ohhhh a live one! Sir do I have a wonderful bridge in Brooklyn to sell you! :)

Fun fact: banks fund this sort of nonsense constantly. I've asked about this before: why they do it. They must be making money I just don't know how. The LBO guys pay themselves massive management fees and dump the debt on the company so they walk away scott free.

My wild guess was the banks offload the eventual IPO onto investors and so make their money on the IPO fees and funneling their own clients the dead-man-walking shares. But I honestly don't know.

> wild guess was the banks offload the eventual IPO onto investors and so make their money on the IPO fees and funneling their own clients the dead-man-walking shares

The banks get paid back their debt when the next PE fund buys the company or the company pays it off. Unless an IPO is being done to pay off debt, which it never is, the mechanism you describe doesn’t occur.

The list of companies imploded by LBO/PE is quite high though. Why do banks keep lining up to fund such deals? They must be making money somehow. These companies aren't worth much in liquidation. Are they able to extract enough value during the dead-man-walking period to make it worthwhile? Especially for retail or similar deals where the bank isn't going to foreclose on a bunch of real estate or assets worth selling.

I was not saying this is how they make money - I was saying I honestly don't know. If you do know please share. I would love to understand why the banks are so keen to fund what looks to my eyes like super shady vulture capitalism. We start with a profitable company and end with a smoking husk. The Wall Street guys are doing it to steal as much value as they can before it all blows up. Someone is eating the eventual loss. Who? Or are you saying the majority of these deals don't end up with the company being eviscerated?

The usual arrangement for an LBO is to saddle the bought company, the vet in this example, with the debt,or spin off a secondary company from the vet with the poorest assets and most to all of the debt. It's all a scummy business.
Then why is everyone complaining "my vet sucks now" and not "my vet went out of business"?
Because the vet does suck now, and yet is still profitable because there's not enough competition.