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by b112 105 days ago
I absolutely think there should be ramifications for such acts.

What I find bizarre, is that China and Russia do this daily, and "oh well". If such states sent over people to, you know, do damage using a bomb instead of a hack, there'd be trouble. As in, two towers were damaged, and it set off 20 years of war ... mostly against the wrong states.

Yet if you cause death via subtle means, such as reducing hospital infra, or attack and destroy infra via hacking, meh. Oh well!

This sort of falls inline with all other compute issues that appear before all elected bodies on the planet. An immense lack of understanding and comprehension, coupled with an inability to act.

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Well their country is currently being bombed, curious what additional ramifications you’d like to see?
I think he's pointing out that we're not bombing China or Russia or North Korea, or any other states, over similar attacks.
Because they have nukes unlike Iran.
And one wonders why Iran wants a nuke. It's not to wipe out Israel and the US as some hawks in Congress falsely claim. It's the same reason North Korea developed nukes. Terrible regimes, but they understand countries with nukes don't get bombed or invaded. That's Ukraine's tragedy.
yeah, if there's one clear takeaway from the US-involved conflicts of the past several decades, it's that nukes are the key to making the U.S. keep its hands to itself
Well they're not... um... what was it that Iran was doing to make us bomb them again?
plainly: they're being punished for not having nuclear weapons already
Ramifications include firing more security engineers and replacing them with shoddy AI tools, pencil whipping any issues that cost time and money to fix immediately, or just ignoring the problem entirely until it happens a few more times.
A problem with this line of reasoning is that the people killed by your hypothetical bombs are likely not the ones responsible for the previous attack, even if they do live in the same country. Warfare is in general a very poor system of justice and probably shouldn't be considered as such.
The only reason the US government doesn't make a big deal about hacking is because they dont want blowback from their own intelligence collection operations.

It's like how every country knows embassies are full of spies but they let them operate as diplomats anyway because they do the same thing.

> It's like how every country knows embassies are full of spies but they let them operate as diplomats anyway

Or in Iran’s case, they don’t.

Is it an "oh well" situation in this case though?

There seem to be actual people getting killed, in an actual war (by another name, but we all know it's a war, with missiles and airplanes and bombs).

Their country is being attacked. They are the aggressed party.

What ramifications you think is going to happen? They already have their country being bombed.

What does Israel gain by instigating war between USA and China right now?
> If such states sent over people to, you know, do damage using a bomb instead of a hack, there'd be trouble.

Russia have been running assassinations and sabotage programme using poison, bombs, small arms and radioactive material in the West for years with no real repercussions.

Or we could see this as a ramification for US bombing their country and DIRECTLY killing people, including many non-combatants.

Like children, at school

https://www.npr.org/2026/03/11/nx-s1-5744981/pentagon-iran-m...

The commenter you replied to seems to be oblivious to the fact that this act, described in the article, is merely a consequence of the war they started.
Iranian hackers have been at place for quite some time beforehand.

And it's not a war started, its a "war" responding to decades of heinous, vicious, deadly funding of terrorist organizations, and bombing of innocent civilians.

Defending Iran is akin to defending a serial murderer. Or complaining that the serial murdered got shot while resisting arrest. Ridiculous.

I sincerely hope the decent people of Iran do get rid of this ridiculous, religiously ran and controlled state.

The US killed many, many more civilians accross the world that Iran ever did. Yet you don't seem to care about that, why?

> And it's not a war started, its a "war" responding to decades of heinous, vicious, deadly funding of terrorist organizations, and bombing of innocent civilians.

As if the US hadn't been antagonizing Iran for decades. Trump broke the nuclear agreements (which Iran had been following), then refused to negotiate new ones, then joined Israel in their bloodlust for muslim blood. This war is aimless, and only serves to radicalize the Iranian people against Israel and the US. Which will inevitably result in even more bloodshed down the line.

> Trump broke the nuclear agreements (which Iran had been following), then refused to negotiate new ones

This is the most head-slapping part of this whole situation. We had a nuclear deal and he pulled the US out of it for no good reason (my read: because he just hates Obama that much that anything he did he wanted to undo). This situation is 100% on this president.

Didn't the US kill more people than Iran did, in any time period?
Iran may have killed more people on January 12.

Assuming the killings weren't instigated by American or Israeli operatives

I don't see why this matters, there are accidental civilian casualties in every war. This was unintentional, unlike Iran killing 30,000 of their own citizens, which was entirely deliberate.

If you can find evidence the United States directly targeted a school with the intent of killing children and not just due to outdated intel (and somebody setting up a school in what was once part of an Iranian Revolutionary Guard naval base), maybe I'd change my mind.

30000 is nothing compared to the civilians the US has killed all over the world, all "accidentally" of course. Since 2023 Israel has killed 57000 civilians in Gaza. Shouldn't you be calling for an invasion of Israel on humanitarian grounds then?
Yep, the US should kill another 170 kids in a school, for example, right?

Edit: this is one of those case where I would really love to see the face of the one who downvoted this comment.

I didn't downvote you, but you probably were because your comment is an impertinent strawman. The faces of your downvoters are normal people who care about the quality of the discussion.