[trhway]

>There is little evidence of what you say. ... but the danger of 'expansionism' is from Iran.

if you aren't familiar with Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis - i highly recommend reading on it, even if just in Wikipedia.

>How many people have to die in those USA wars? I mean, enough is enough.

I think most important isn'h how many, the most important is who. Iran's regime has just indiscriminately killed 20-30K innocent civilians and uncountable many have been tortured. That is a crime against humanity. So, the top of Iran's regime and its IRGC has to be punished. I'm fine with that punishment being US and Israel's missiles.

[CapricornNoble]

> Iran's regime has just indiscriminately killed 20-30K innocent civilians and uncountable many have been tortured. That is a crime against humanity. So, the top of Iran's regime and its IRGC has to be punished. I'm fine with that punishment being US and Israel's missiles.

Israel's regime has killed twice that many in Gaza. Shouldn't they be prioritized for "punishment"?

[trhway]

As i said the key thing isn't how many, it is who, how and what for.

Israel started the war in response to the genocide of Oct 7. So all the legitimate collateral victims and damage from Israel's actions here is responsibility of the perpetrators of Oct 7.

You aren't calling for prosecution of the perpetrators of Oct 7. That is already shows your colors.

Anyway, the number of killed you cite comes directly from Hamas (its Ministry of Health stated those numbers to UN). Hamas is a terrorist org, and can't be trusted at all.

There is no evidence that Israel killed civilians in any meaningful numbers, and that the killings were criminal and not legitimate collateral.

Now, there is a million of cell phones in Gaza. After several years of watching Ukraine war anybody knows the amount of cell footage to expect. Some Russian killings in Bucha were recorded by reconnaissance drone for example. Russian soldiers posted videos of them executing POWs, security cameras recorded Russian soldiers marauding and so forth. Where is pretty much no footage comes from Gaza. "Israel soldiers shoot at the crowd at food distribution center" and nobody recorded anything (especially giving that according to Hamas it happens regularly - and still no footage!)

And on rare occasions when some footage comes out - the analysis in the example below shows that the basic laws of physics wouldn't let even 20 people to be killed when Hamas claimed 400-800 in that "bombing of hospital" (again, if you watch war footage, you'd know what gore of several people killed by explosion would look like, and no way the parking lot would look that way just the morning several hours later - where is all the blood for example? it is pretty obvious that the asphalt hadn't been washed by the time photo was made so blood should be there even if they picked up all the bodies and parts of it)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38751882

[CapricornNoble]

>Israel started the war in response to the genocide of Oct 7. So all the legitimate collateral victims and damage from Israel's actions here is responsibility of the perpetrators of Oct 7.

>You aren't calling for prosecution of the perpetrators of Oct 7. That is already shows your colors.

The world did not start on October 7th, and it's completely disingenuous to suggest otherwise, which shows YOUR colors. I could equally state " all responsibility lies with the perpetrators of the Nakhba".

>Anyway, the number of killed you cite comes directly from Hamas (its Ministry of Health stated those numbers to UN). Hamas is a terrorist org, and can't be trusted at all.

If the number can't be trusted, why is the IDF acknowledging it?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-believes-70000-gazans-kill...

> There is no evidence that Israel killed civilians in any meaningful numbers, and that the killings were criminal and not legitimate collateral.

If this is your position no further discussion is needed. There is nothing meaningful to be gained from engaging with you. I don't know if you guys realize how insane you appear to every other human being on the planet when you try to gaslight us into thinking the piles of evidence of dead women and children either doesn't exist or is somehow accidental.

[RobertoG]

Why was Hezbollah created? From wikipedia: "Hezbollah was founded in 1982 by Lebanese clerics in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon"

Why was Hamas created? From wikipedia: "was founded by Palestinian Islamic scholar Ahmed Yassin in 1987 after the outbreak of the First Intifada against the Israeli occupation"

What about the Houthis? From wikipedia: "The formation of the Houthi organisations has been described by Adam Baron of the European Council on Foreign Relations as a reaction to foreign intervention."

But sure, the problem is Iran.

There is not evidence about that 20-30k civilians dead. I could say it was 3 and I would have the same proof that you have.

This rationale of 'Iran is not democratic enough' (despise they have a constitution, a parliament and elections) but I will support Saudi Arabia (that light of human rights in the middle east) is nonsense.

All this is done for the geopolitical interest of USA, the oil and Israel. Anyone that say otherwise is taking us for idiots.

[trhway]

>There is not evidence about that 20-30k civilians dead. I could say it was 3 and I would have the same proof that you have.

As i said you don't know what you're talking about. You seem to be just blabbering some gibberish. I'm not engaging with you anymore here.

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-protest-death-toll-ofogh-tv/336...

"The government of Iran's reformist President Masud Pezeshkian has published the names and national ID numbers of 2,985 individuals killed during recent nationwide protests."

[RobertoG]

Exactly, Iran published the number of death and what we heard all the time is that number multiplied by ten. But I'm the one blabbering gibberish.